Moe Tucker "teabagger?" WTF!

[LouieB]

I sense a tad of irony in the above post.

 

Wilco fans have a higher IQ than most people.

 

Wilco supports Obama therefore I support Obama.

 

Most interesting....

No irony at all actually.

 

I just figure it must irk you that when you give money to Wilco they give some of it to Obama.

 

LouieB

[Doug C]

No irony at all actually.

 

I just figure it must irk you that when you give money to Wilco they give some of it to Obama.

 

Ha ha ha ha ha! That really made laugh. Thanks.

[uncool2pillow]

We all give mass amounts of money to corporations (& Moe Tucker, to stay on topic) that they use to support politicians most of the people on this board hate. I don't give money to Wilco because of their politics. I don't listen to their music because of their politics. They have not made much overtly political music. They are entitled to their opinions, and entitled to support whom they want publicly or privately. We, as fans, are entitled to agree or disagree.

[bobbob1313]

?? (In case you guys have forgotten...Wilco supports Obama....)

 

Who gives a (poop).

[Guest Speed Racer]

I just figure it must irk you that when you give money to Wilco they give some of it to Obama.

 

I'd say it irks you to assume other people are that base and simplistic in their thinking, but I'm positive you enjoy that pedestal.

[Tweedling]

Damn! I don't even want to think of the crap I'd be listening to If I limited my sources of musical entertainment and enjoyment to those who share the same political views as me.

[LouieB]

Oh yea, I know all that. This is just a repeat of the convo that was here six years ago during the second Bush election. Except at that time it was way more heated. This time it is mostly in jest and very half baked. Of course people listen to music just as music. I don't intend to stop listening to the Velvet Underground; but I do now know that Moe Tucker, the groundbreaking female drummer is a batshit crazy old woman.

 

The fact does remain that Wilco played benefits for Obama and was very vocal about their opossition to the Iraq War. Just sayin.

 

LouieB

[Guest Speed Racer]

Just sayin.

 

No you're not; you essentially "just said" conservatives on the board were stupid. Christ, when you have me agreeing with Tweedling, you either have to have an awesome pair of lady jugs or do something real damned petty.

[bleedorange]

Escaping the ridiculous current argument, is everyone else as fascinated with Nate Silver's electorate maps as I am? I didn't know the NYT picked him up, but the extra resources have really made his site and methods that much more interesting to look at.

 

FiveThirtyEight Blog

[LouieB]

No you're not; you essentially "just said" conservatives on the board were stupid. Christ, when you have me agreeing with Tweedling, you either have to have an awesome pair of lady jugs or do something real damned petty.

Really????

 

Let's see. In this discussion I have repeated said I can understand the "fiscal" conservatism of folks here. I really can. Does anyone want to see the deficits run totally away from us? But the conservative movement didn't seem to care when George Bush was running the deficite to new heights during his administration or when he requested bail out money for the banks or when he was running a couple wars off the books. Only when the somewhat more liberal Obama wants to move forward on some of his agenda does the right get all bent out of shape about stuff. Why? Because the right has an agenda which isn't just about fiscal conservancy, it is also about social conservancy. So ultimately the right has to either divorce themselves from the crazies, who say that abortion, gay rights, etc, are the problem or the conservatives are wedded to that too.

 

So okay, I am petty?? Sure. Obama becomes President and all the crazy racists come out of the closet and accuse him of being a commie, facsist, Muslim, non-American hater. Obama has no real different agenda for this country than any other politician. He did bring up healthcare for all, which was something even Republicans got behind in previous generations. What else did he do that was so incredibly off the wall freaky to folks? Not much. Just be a guy who is slightly left of center (and not even very left of center if at all) who has a slightly weirder name and a darker face. Protecting folks from credit card companies?? Trying to keep Wall Street from blowing up the ecocnomy?? Helping new home buyers?? Talking about carbon emissions?? Is all this stuff really that horrible and anti-American?? It is really the social conservatives that are running the show, not the fiscal ones. None of this is about budget deficits.

 

Baiting folks on Wilco being a left of center band is just icing on what is a pretty ugly conservative cake. Man up!! Obama doesn't hate America and he isn't trying to destroy it. In point of fact folks on the left are annoyed with him for not going far enough. If anything they feel he has placated the right too much. The real agenda here is only barely under the surface and you know it.

 

Controlling government spending?? I am all for that (within reason). Bashing gays and women's right to choose? That and a host of other social issues is the real question here and it is pretty much the back story to the entire teaparty movement.

 

LouieB

[Guest Speed Racer]

I didn't know they picked him up, either. I've been afraid to read too many analyses though, because I'm still wondering how there can be a chance that Michele Bachmann might actually get reelected here.

[Guest Jules]

Obama doesn't hate America and he isn't trying to destroy it.

I agree. But he's still a communist.

[ih8music]

Escaping the ridiculous current argument, is everyone else as fascinated with Nate Silver's electorate maps as I am? I didn't know the NYT picked him up, but the extra resources have really made his site and methods that much more interesting to look at.

 

FiveThirtyEight Blog

 

Yeah, loved following his site in the 2008 race... not so much fun this time around.

 

But seriously, he's a great resource. It'll be interesting to see if his models hold up as well this time around, because he almost perfectly nailed the outcome in '08.

[Guest Speed Racer]

Really????

 

Yes, really. You even think so:

 

So okay, I am petty?? Sure.

 

Obama becomes President and all the crazy racists come out of the closet and accuse him of being a commie, facsist, Muslim, non-American hater.

 

They weren't ever in a closet, they just have a high profile target.

 

Obama has no real different agenda for this country than any other politician.

 

Like Sarah Palin. Or Bush. And, like so many other politicians, he hasn't done a hell of a lot. Granted, he was dealt a damned bad hand when he took the reigns, but good lord, he's pandered to everyone and done nothing. That Wilco still supports that, and we still give money to Wilco, makes us all look like turds, huh?

 

You can't say half the country is "wedded" to what other people who identify as conservatives think anymore than you can say I'm wedded to a housewife's mentality because I'm a woman. I don't know about you, but I don't look at Jules and think he's some racist, inbred honky because he looks like Dick Cheney. He's more conservative than I am, but I don't paint him with any sort of broad brush and insult his intellegence because of that.

 

Baiting folks on Wilco being a left of center band is just icing on what is a pretty ugly conservative cake. Man up!!

 

Grow up!! (?)

[bleedorange]

Yeah, loved following his site in the 2008 race... not so much fun this time around.

 

But seriously, he's a great resource. It'll be interesting to see if his models hold up as well this time around, because he almost perfectly nailed the outcome in '08.

 

I know. It almost takes all the suspense out of election night.

[Good Old Neon]

Really????

 

Let's see. In this discussion I have repeated said I can understand the "fiscal" conservatism of folks here. I really can. Does anyone want to see the deficits run totally away from us? But the conservative movement didn't seem to care when George Bush was running the deficite to new heights during his administration or when he requested bail out money for the banks or when he was running a couple wars off the books. Only when the somewhat more liberal Obama wants to move forward on some of his agenda does the right get all bent out of shape about stuff. Why? Because the right has an agenda which isn't just about fiscal conservancy, it is also about social conservancy. So ultimately the right has to either divorce themselves from the crazies, who say that abortion, gay rights, etc, are the problem or the conservatives are wedded to that too.

 

So okay, I am petty?? Sure. Obama becomes President and all the crazy racists come out of the closet and accuse him of being a commie, facsist, Muslim, non-American hater. Obama has no real different agenda for this country than any other politician. He did bring up healthcare for all, which was something even Republicans got behind in previous generations. What else did he do that was so incredibly off the wall freaky to folks? Not much. Just be a guy who is slightly left of center (and not even very left of center if at all) who has a slightly weirder name and a darker face. Protecting folks from credit card companies?? Trying to keep Wall Street from blowing up the ecocnomy?? Helping new home buyers?? Talking about carbon emissions?? Is all this stuff really that horrible and anti-American?? It is really the social conservatives that are running the show, not the fiscal ones. None of this is about budget deficits.

 

Baiting folks on Wilco being a left of center band is just icing on what is a pretty ugly conservative cake. Man up!! Obama doesn't hate America and he isn't trying to destroy it. In point of fact folks on the left are annoyed with him for not going far enough. If anything they feel he has placated the right too much. The real agenda here is only barely under the surface and you know it.

 

Controlling government spending?? I am all for that (within reason). Bashing gays and women's right to choose? That and a host of other social issues is the real question here and it is pretty much the back story to the entire teaparty movement.

 

LouieB

 

Well said.

[Guest Jules]

[LouieB]

Well said.

Thanks bro!!

 

But we know at least one VCer who thinks he is a commie....

 

LouieB

[LouieB]

like so many other politicians, he hasn't done a hell of a lot.

 

Actually this isn't true in two respects.....

 

1. He has done stuff (start with the health care bill and work your way out) so plenty of folks DO think he has done stuff and they don't like it.

 

2. If he hasn't done anything how come the teapartiers are so pissed off??? Hence my belief that just getting elected was enough to piss some folks off.

 

You don't piss people off by doing nothing......or do you if you are simply of a different race, politically different, or willing to support folks others don't like (gays, etc.)

 

George Bush did plenty (Sarah Palin....not so much); he started two wars to start with. I'll leave to others to pick the other stuff they don't like.

 

LouieB

[ih8music]

I do find it amusing that apparently Obama is both destroying the very fabric of this country as we speak, as well as being completely ineffective and accomplishing nothing. That's some crazy voodoo shit.

[Guest Speed Racer]

2. If he hasn't done anything how come the teapartiers are so pissed off??? Hence my belief that just getting elected was enough to piss some folks off.

 

You don't piss people off by doing nothing......or do you if you are simply of a different race, politically different, or willing to support folks others don't like (gays, etc.)

 

Um...yes you do. If a crossing guard did nothing, people would be pissed. If I did nothing today, my boss would be pissed. When you're supposed to do a job and you don't - especially one like run a country, especially when the economy's in the can - people get pissed. Racist people are people too, so they also get pissed. And since they're racist, it's, like, easy for them to point out his race and stuff.

 

For someone poo-pooing the intelligence of half the country, it's taking you a while to get up to speed here, bro.

[Guest Jules]

Never confuse motion with action, Lou.

[Guest Speed Racer]

Sing it, honky!

[Guest Jules]

BTW, Cheney was pretty handsome in his younger days!

 

 

[Guest Jules]

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