General Political Thread

[IRememberDBoon]

I swear on my mammy this is verbatim from the comments section and there are so many more where this came from

"I GUESS WE HAVE TO BELIEVE IT WETHER WE WNAT TO DO NOT ,ITS A DARN SHAME A WORLD SUCH AS OURS HAS TO GO LIKE THIS,I DON'T THINK GOD WANTS THIS ,AN WILL PUT A STOP TO IT SOON ,WE HAVE ONE OF THE GREATEST COUNTRYS IN THE WORLD ,PEOPLE FOR GET WHERE THEY COME FROM ,WE LOVE OUR COUNTRY AN TO SEE A FEW TEAR IT DOWN ITS THE SADEST THING ANY ONE CAN THINK OF .WHAT A SHAME GOD HELP US"

heres one more quick one

"We do not have a Commander and Chief. We have an EVIL DEMON named Obama. Barack HUSSEIN Obama. A Racist American Hater is all he is. BB"






 

[lost highway]

My highest hopes have the ACA as a somewhat helpful change for a percentage of the population who needs it, but my deepest fears imagine a bureaucratic tangle that works poorly.  Neither warrant the vitriol from the GOP- as its infighting slowly divides a trench between moderates and nut-jobs.

 

I also feel that in spite of projections, we won't have good enough anecdotal, or data-based evidence on the law to make a clear evaluation for at least a year.

[John Smith]

We just got our benefits enrollment packages for 2014. Dental had no change, Health went down $19.02/mo and vision went up $0.83/mo. Darn it, where am I going to come up with $0.83 every month in this economy...damn you Obama! //snark off

 

So it looks like ACA is not adversely affecting me this year and is apparently beneficial. This is the first time in my life that insurance rates did not rise and shockingly went down. ACA effect? I'm not sure but would not bet against it.

[KevinG]

We just got our benefits enrollment packages for 2014. Dental had no change, Health went down $19.02/mo and vision went up $0.83/mo. Darn it, where am I going to come up with $0.83 every month in this economy...damn you Obama! //snark off

 

So it looks like ACA is not adversely affecting me this year and is apparently beneficial. This is the first time in my life that insurance rates did not rise and shockingly went down. ACA effect? I'm not sure but would not bet against it.

 

If you lived in Wisconsin you could offset your $0.83 with the $13 dollar a year voter payoff property tax relief.  

http://www.thedailypage.com/daily/article.php?article=41159 

[lost highway]

We just got our benefits enrollment packages for 2014. Dental had no change, Health went down $19.02/mo and vision went up $0.83/mo. Darn it, where am I going to come up with $0.83 every month in this economy...damn you Obama! //snark off

 

So it looks like ACA is not adversely affecting me this year and is apparently beneficial. This is the first time in my life that insurance rates did not rise and shockingly went down. ACA effect? I'm not sure but would not bet against it.

 

That's good info.  Thanks for sharing it, it's actually the first first-hand report I've seen other than some doofus on the TV.

[LouieB]

The longer this goes on, the funnier it gets. Of course even under the best of conditions there are going to be roll-out problems, but now that some good reports are coming back on folks actually connecting and getting some good results, particularly in states where they don't rely on the federal site alone, the anti-ACA folks are getting more vociferous in their lying. There were glitches when Medicaid started and there were glitches when Medicare part D rolled out. The pressure is still on to get things to work correctly that should always be the goal, who wants a program not to work, unless you want the program not to work for ideological reasons.

 

A year or two from now we will wonder what all the fuss was about.

 

LouieB

[John Smith]

I should add that my coverage is for married with children, I really gave no idea what singles or other combinations of coverage are experiencing

[KevinG]

The longer this goes on, the funnier it gets. Of course even under the best of conditions there are going to be roll-out problems, but now that some good reports are coming back on folks actually connecting and getting some good results, particularly in states where they don't rely on the federal site alone, the anti-ACA folks are getting more vociferous in their lying. There were glitches when Medicaid started and there were glitches when Medicare part D rolled out. The pressure is still on to get things to work correctly t

that should always be the goal, who wants a program not to work, unless you want the program not to work for ideological reasons.

 

A year or two from now we will wonder what all the fuss was about.

 

LouieB

 

My favorite lie, and no one seems to be calling anyone on it, is that ACA is government run Healthcare.  Rand Paul said it just the other day.  The government is not running healthcare it is setting up exchanges for people to buy healthcare.  

[Guest Jules]

Government mandated healthcare. Not much of a difference.

[KevinG]

Government mandated healthcare. Not much of a difference.

 

Whatever gets you through the night, I guess.  

 

Mandated does not equal run.  It is foolish to think that run and mandated mean the same thing.  

[Guest Jules]

"not much of a difference" does not equal "same thing"

GDFNP

[KevinG]

"not much of a difference" does not equal "same thing"

GDFNP

 

Ok, not much difference.  Let me revise my statement.  It is foolish to think there is not much difference between run and mandated.  

 

There is a huge difference.  Government run healthcare implies the government maintains the policies and has a say in healthcare decisions.  Mandated means the government requires you to buy insurance.  

 

In my state (WI) we are required by law to have car insurance, yet no one has ever referred to it as State run car insurance.  

 

You may not like the mandated aspect, but it doesn't mean the government runs your healthcare.  

[Atticus]

I just attended a legal seminar for property owners associations.

 

Part of the presentation concerned how George Zimmerman's HOA paid out a gargantuan settlement (it's confidential but there is good anecdotal info that it was north of $1 million) to the parents of Trayvon Martin, and how HOAs should/can set up barriers between themselves and neighborhood watch groups to avoid similar results.

 

I thought of all you fucking people while I was there.  That gave me indigestion.

[Atticus]

Ok, not much difference.  Let me revise my statement.  It is foolish to think there is not much difference between run and mandated.  

 

There is a huge difference.  Government run healthcare implies the government maintains the policies and has a say in healthcare decisions.  Mandated means the government requires you to buy insurance.  

 

In my state (WI) we are required by law to have car insurance, yet no one has ever referred to it as State run car insurance.  

 

You may not like the mandated aspect, but it doesn't mean the government runs you healthcare.  

 

Wisconsin is notorious for its state-run car insurance. 

[Guest Jules]

I do love Wisconsin.

[Doug C]

  

 

In my state (WI) we are required by law to have car insurance, yet no one has ever referred to it as State run car insurance.  

 

You may not like the mandated aspect, but it doesn't mean the government runs your healthcare.  

Ha ha! The fact that the gentleman that uses the name Jules chose not to respond to this speaks volumes. Well played, Kevin.

[Atticus]

Ha!

[Guest Jules]

Huh? I thought the comparison of health insurance to car insurance was stupid, hence my lack of response.  Motive for mandating car insurance completely different than health insurance.

[Atticus]

how is state-run auto insurance different than state-run health insurance?

[Guest Jules]

Also, to my knowledge car insurance is not mandated to all Wisconsonites, or even all Wisconsin car owners (or whatever state you might be talking about). Only if you choose to drive a car is it required.  On the other hand, this government mandate of health insurance falls on every American, regardless of intent to use any services.  Welcome to America, now buy some fucking insurance.

[Atticus]

(that question was to the guy who calls himself "Jules")

[Guest Jules]

It got quiet in here.

[caliber66]

Also, to my knowledge car insurance is not mandated to all Wisconsonites, or even all Wisconsin car owners (or whatever state you might be talking about). Only if you choose to drive a car is it required.  On the other hand, this government mandate of health insurance falls on every American, regardless of intent to use any services.  Welcome to America, now buy some fucking insurance.

I don't buy car insurance with the intent to use any services. I hope I never have to.

 

You buy insurance to protect your car (for car owners) or your health (all humans). Insurance is now mandatory for both sets of users.

[Guest Jules]

Come on Caliber, you don't see the difference?  Car insurance is only required if you choose to drive a car, and it is required mainly to protect others, not the policy holder.  Also, we don't bill our car insurance company for our regular car maintenance, tune ups, oil changes, etc.  Health insurance is now required as a condition of living here.  It's unprecedented.

 

They're two different animals, and this comparison doesn't hold water.

[Hixter]

I think it's safe to assume that the administration's refusal to release signup figures is an indication that the first month has been disastrous. I expect that we'll see some sort of deadline rollback in order to save face (and the careers of Democrats up for reelection in 2014.)