KevinG Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 sorry, wrong thread. Actually that was about as articulate and on point as most of the stuff here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 I think you failed to read some of my previous comments on this issue. Aww, me failed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Aww, me failed. Don't think of it so much as failing as thinking and acting wrongly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NoJ Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 No, it was a failure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 The guy is in his underwear. Be nice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 There is no reason to ask him what he thinks about this, let alone for the people watching to care. Who is authorized to speak on the matter? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 How does everyone feel about politics, generally? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Heartbreak Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Apparently, even our President's view is somehow "not relevant," or "not appropriate," although you would think that the first African-American President's reflections would be considered important, or at least worthwhile. Behold the comments section on HuffPo after the "Obama Speaks on Zimmerman Verdict" story: I wish obama would stop playing the race card. It is really old. If BO had a city it would look like Detroit. "If I had a son he would look like Trayvon... That could have been me 35 years ago..." Obama your overt Racism is very clear and transparent to us... It's obvious that President Obama no longer bothers to disguise his divisive r/acism. He is completely out of the cIoset on this one. I am very surprised he took to making comments on this case; I think he should have kept his mouth shut beause to me, it will simply fan the flames. "Trayvon could've been me 35 years ago," During your black years? What about your white years – you are ½ white. Blacks continue to depend on WHITES for everything.... when things don't go their way they throw tantrums and act like children. Until the black population start to GROW UP and mature and obey the law they will continue to be disrespected. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Is this an official White House press release--I mean was it on twitter? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Who is authorized to speak on the matter? It is not a question of authorization, any damn fool can ask anyone they want on any subject. Anyone can speak on the matter. And they do with increasing frequency. There is so much "noise" on subjects from people it is hard weigh what is important not important. Tell me the reason why it we need to know what Sir Charles thinks about Travyon Martin. I don't care what Sir Charles has to say on the matter, I think it is silly for someone to ask him. It is not that I disagree his on his view (which I don't BTW), its the fact he is just adding to the noise. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NoJ Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 How does everyone feel about politics, generally? Nauseous. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uncool2pillow Posted July 19, 2013 Author Share Posted July 19, 2013 I am interested in the views of people like Charles Barkley, Bill Cosby, and Jimmy Carter who have expressed counter-intuitive opinions. I would find that as interesting as someone like Sean Hannity or George Will condemning the verdict. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Did anyone find the proof that Trayvon was the one that hit George in the nose and scraped up the back of his head?? I mean this is a court of law. Do you have any proof at all?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uncool2pillow Posted July 20, 2013 Author Share Posted July 20, 2013 Martin was not on trial. No one needs to prove squat about what he did or did not do. Zimmerman's attorneys only needed to cast reasonable doubt on the charges brought against their client. They succeeded with those six jurors. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Btw what the fuck with 6 jurors? Fucking Florida. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Btw what the fuck with 6 jurors? Fucking Florida.Florida America's wang Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Martin was not on trial. No one needs to prove squat about what he did or did not do. Zimmerman's attorneys only needed to cast reasonable doubt on the charges brought against their client. They succeeded with those six jurors. I certainly agree but everyone claims Martin attacked Zimmerman as if its absolute fact. Of course there was no blood on Martin or the sidewalk but HEY! http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/20/us/in-wake-of-zimmerman-verdict-obama-makes-extensive-statement-on-race-in-america.html?smid=fb-nytimes&WT.z_sma=US_IWO_20130719&_r=0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hixter Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Of course there was no blood on Martin or the sidewalk but HEY!Zimmerman's blood was found on Martin's clothing. Martin had an abrasion on his hand that was likely caused by punching Zimmerman. Zimmerman had no injuries to his hands. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
indy81 Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Yes, no witnesses... and given that he killed the only other person who really knows what happened that night, I'd hope you understand why many of us have a hard time believing that his account is 100% accurate. Yes, thank you! Especially when "You're gonna die tonight!" and "He went for my gun" are exactly the kind of bullshit things someone would make up after the fact when they realized they would need to prove legal self-defense. Seeing them constantly trotted out as justification for Martin's death has been frustrating. We'll never know if those things were said or happened, but we must at least acknowledge that it's possible they weren't and Zimmerman simply tragically overreacted to getting his ass kicked by a kid he was stupidly following around like Paul Blart Mall Cop. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hixter Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Especially when "You're gonna die tonight!" and "He went for my gun" are exactly the kind of bullshit things someone would make up after the fact when they realized they would need to prove legal self-defense.Those statements are essentially irrelevant; Zimmerman was legally justified in shooting Zimmerman as soon as the kid attacked him. We'll never know if those things were said or happened, but we must at least acknowledge that it's possible they weren'tJust as we must at least acknowledge that things went down exactly as Zimmerman said. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Those statements are essentially irrelevant; Zimmerman was legally justified in shooting Zimmerman as soon as the kid attacked him. Not exactly. To be justified in using deadly force, he had to reasonably believe it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself. But as you've pointed out, it's apparent that Zimmerman believed so. Getting his head hit against he concrete would seem to meet that threat. Whether or not he disregarded police advice to not follow him is irrelevant, because Zimmerman's act of following Trayvon wasn't illegal. The people who think the legal outcome was wrong just need to read the Florida stand your ground law. After reading it, it's hard to imagine the case turning out any other way. The law itself is bad, IMHO. But the outcome was correct. What a shitshow. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hixter Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 The law itself is bad, IMHO.The law is important because it removes the obligation to retreat when facing a deadly threat. Without the law, people could find themselves required to hide in a closet when someone kicks down their door, because maybe he's just planning to steal their television. But then again, maybe he intends to rape and murder them. (And then steal their television.) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 The law is important because it removes the obligation to retreat when facing a deadly threat. Without the law, people could find themselves required to hide in a closet when someone kicks down their door, because maybe he's just planning to steal their television. But then again, maybe he intends to rape and murder them. (And then steal their television.)You're referencing the castle doctrine, which involves protection against invasion of one's home, which I have no problem with. Florida's law expands on that concept to include any lawfully occupied location. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uncool2pillow Posted July 20, 2013 Author Share Posted July 20, 2013 Just as we must at least acknowledge that things went down exactly as Zimmerman said.Did you mean acknowledge it's possible? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hixter Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Did you mean acknowledge it's possible?Yeah. Oops. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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