Radiant Witch Face Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 I thought God was a bullet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PopTodd Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 The bottom line is:What I believe is what I believe. And, if religion is what helps you get through the day, who am I to say that what you believe is not true?Why can't there be multiple truths?I have friends who had it real rough for a long time: drugs, alcohol, mental illness: and finding religion is what saved their lives. Literally.That kind of power has to have SOMEthing behind it, right? And who am I to take it away from them? I think that most of you would agree, probably.And also, like most of you, the only time that I have an issue with it is when somebody tries to impose their beliefs on me.But I also understand that, when somebody DOES try to impose upon me, they actually have the best of intentions: they are doing this because they care about me and want to save me from what they see as eternal damnation.I just try to respond to them with respect and with the same kind of love they are trying to show me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 I think very few would disagree with that perspective, PopTodd. Taught as a philosophy, a set of moral guides, historical context, etc. religion has its place -- even in public schools, IMO. But not as science. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PopTodd Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 I think very few would disagree with that perspective, PopTodd. Taught as a philosophy, a set of moral guides, historical context, etc. religion has its place -- even in public schools, IMO. But not as science.Agree.I just saw this thread getting into a little more "religion is stupid" territory and wanted to put the brakes on that a little. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 To be fair, there can be plenty of stupid shit when it comes to religion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
twoshedsjackson Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 I think very few would disagree with that perspective, PopTodd. Taught as a philosophy, a set of moral guides, historical context, etc. religion has its place -- even in public schools, IMO. But not as science.I'm all for people believing whatever makes them happy, but the only way it should be treated, if at all, in public schools is as literature or (and I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers here) mythology. It isn't history, and there's very little morality in the holy books of any of the big three religions. Again, whatever makes you happy. Just don't force it on others. I think that's reasonable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 It's the age old 'mythos' vs. 'logos' conundrum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
anthony Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/messages-from-creationists-to-people-who-believe-in-evolutio Not sure if you guys are interested in the responses to those questions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uncool2pillow Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 That was good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Theres a LightWhat LightTheres a LightOne LightTheres a LightWhite LightInside of YouTo the pointAs much as I hated some thing Hitchens said back in the 90s about President Clinton when it came to this debate there was no one finer on earth. He was perfectly eloquent on every point. He just crushed opponents in the debates he would do.Theres a good one on youtube not long before he was sick that's him vs Dinesh DSouza at Notre Dame and his opening statements is the tits. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I evolved a little this morning. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marino13 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 I assume everyone on this board is a huge fan of music. I've seen this same argument on other music boards. It always surprises me how some people can be so into the beauty of the creation of music, and be totally moved by a concert experience that puts you on another plane, and not feel that there is something out there bigger than us. It's hard to put into words what I feel at a concert, when the band is locked in together, producing something greater than their individual parts. The crowd is there, in harmony, all for the same purpose. It can be euphoric, and the last thing I want to do is explain that feeling by using scientific fact. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 totally agree with that, marino. but I think the relevant point that a lot of people are simply making is that our schools shouldn't teach children that god made the planet we live on in a few days. --when the source of that idea is a book that tells a good number of those school children and their parents that they're going to spend eternity in a fiery hell if they don't accept Jesus Christ as their lord and savior and (depending on your species), get baptized and repent for their sins. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted February 18, 2014 Author Share Posted February 18, 2014 I assume everyone on this board is a huge fan of music. I've seen this same argument on other music boards. It always surprises me how some people can be so into the beauty of the creation of music, and be totally moved by a concert experience that puts you on another plane, and not feel that there is something out there bigger than us. It's hard to put into words what I feel at a concert, when the band is locked in together, producing something greater than their individual parts. The crowd is there, in harmony, all for the same purpose. It can be euphoric, and the last thing I want to do is explain that feeling by using scientific fact. It's not a binary choice. The acceptance of some well established scientific facts does not somehow eradicate wonder, mysticism, a sense of interconnection, or awe at powers greater than ourselves. Anyone who tells you those are your choices is trying to put one over on you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marino13 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 totally agree with that, marino. but I think the relevant point that a lot of people are simply making is that our schools shouldn't teach children that god made the planet we live on in a few days. --when the source of that idea is a book that tells a good number of those school children and their parents that they're going to spend eternity in a fiery hell if they don't accept Jesus Christ as their lord and savior and (depending on your species), get baptized and repent for their sins. I understand. These threads usually get ugly (this one has actually been pretty civil by comparison), and I am referring more to the posts by music fans that say you're a simple minded idiot if you believe in anything but science. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 I am referring more to the posts by music fans that say you're a simple minded idiot if you believe in anything but science. Anyone who says that is just an asshole. Plain and simple. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted February 19, 2014 Author Share Posted February 19, 2014 Anyone who says that is just an asshole. Plain and simple. I agree. I also feel it's fair to say that if someone categorically rejects any scientific revelation that challenges their mythology they are willfully ignorant. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I'm not sure why anyone chooses to willfully ignore amazing scientific discoveries. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uncool2pillow Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I'm not sure why anyone chooses to willfully ignore amazing scientific discoveries.Well said. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
twoshedsjackson Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I understand. These threads usually get ugly (this one has actually been pretty civil by comparison), and I am referring more to the posts by music fans that say you're a simple minded idiot if you believe in anything but science.I don't recall anyone saying that. This thread was about Creationists, not belief in general. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
twoshedsjackson Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I'm not sure why anyone chooses to willfully ignore amazing scientific discoveries.Not just ignore but deny and, when possible, impede. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Not just ignore but deny and, when possible, impede.Excellent point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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