Ghost of Electricity Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Cheeto Jesus is my new band name https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/743289565172097024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfwnice. Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 McCain. Jesus. Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 McCain. Jesus.That sure was something. I started to like him again, too. Twitter is the worst isn't it? Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Mr Mavrick willing to go against the party line... Back when he was running for president and he stopped his talk and told some yahoo in the crowd that Obama was a decent man etc... Was the one time he seemed genuine to me and almost disgusted with what was happening. It's been downhill for him since then and he's fairly indistinguishable from the rest when it comes down to his rhetoric. Prick, Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Back when he was running for president and he stopped his talk and told some yahoo in the crowd that Obama was a decent man etc... I can't imagine something like that happening in this election cycle. Gone are the days when politicians can disagree with each other, but still have respect. This is the TEA Party and the Trump effect. Link to post Share on other sites
ditty Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 This is the TEA Party and the Trump effect. The TEA Party started ALL the HATE Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 The TEA Party started ALL the HATERight... It was all Pax Romana before the Tea Party existed. Interesting insight from former GOP Gov. of MN Arne Carlson Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 It wasn't perfect before, but they at least did their jobs. I read a profile of Tom Cotton and he discussed why he was blocking an ambassador nomination Ovama had made, this was a nomination to a non strategic country of a person who was a friend of Cottons. Cotton blocked the nomination just to get under Obamas skin. That's it, no other reason. What a dick. But that gets to what the tea party is actually about, opposing Obama on everything. Anyone who is seen as working with Obama is a target of these people. Working with him is seen as anything including being civil to him. I know a lot of rank and file tea partiers and this is how they feel. Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted June 17, 2016 Author Share Posted June 17, 2016 The TEA Party started ALL the HATE I can't tell if you're sarcastic or not. Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 The TEA Party started ALL the HATE I think another thing that is contributing to our dysfunctional political system that I forgot to mention is the rise of the internet. We have so much information at our finger tips and the majority of Americans generally seek out and focus on the information that we agree with. It is so much easier to read something that confirms your assumptions than challenges it. And then when we are challenged we get defensive or completely ignore the challenge. This conversation has shown that over and over again. Media has polarized our nation. The ability to agree and compromise is gone. Furthermore the ability to get out our own thoughts and ideas to a mass audience is at a level we have not seen. Also we tend to over emphasize our level of importance. I would bet if the TEA party did not come along we would have something else. Also I do not think Trump is an anomaly, if it wasn't Trump there would be something similar. But IMHO they are symbols of what is wrong currently with our political discourse. We have what we have for this cycle. In no way will it get better. It will be interesting to see what happens in 2018, 2020 and beyond. It will be interesting to see if politicians use the Trump model of nastiness and lack of policy specifics to gather support or if they will go another route entirely. I guess it will all come down to who is elected. Link to post Share on other sites
ditty Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 I think another thing that is contributing to our dysfunctional political system that I forgot to mention is the rise of the internet. Very true, but it comes from the right. Look at the hate Rush Limbaugh has been pushing for years. I read and view video from Fox News daily, just to see the bat shit crazy first hand. This is something I believe everyone should take the time to do. Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 I think it's the same on both sides. Both talking shit on the other. I love watching and reading and listening to both sides of the aisle. I'm not sure of what hate you're saying Rush has been pushing but I can't think of anything other than the typical political talk show stuff. Link to post Share on other sites
ditty Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 I'm not sure of what hate you're saying Rush has been pushing but I can't think of anything other than the typical political talk show stuff. Rush started all the hate and shit spew, before the Tea Party, while he was a wife cheating, pill popping, ass wipe talking about Bill Clinton's blow job. Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 I think it's the same on both sides. Both talking shit on the other.I love watching and reading and listening to both sides of the aisle. I'm not sure of what hate you're saying Rush has been pushing but I can't think of anything other than the typical political talk show stuff. You cannot deny that the Right Wing Media machine has an overwhelming dominance in media. Rush has been number one for years and many many of the top radio programs being conservative. http://www.talkers.com/heavy-hundred/ In many markets there is not an alternative or the ability to listen to opposing views. Sure both sides "talk shit" but the Right has a much larger voice and ability to do. It speaks volumes that you see what Rush says a "typical political talk show stuff." Rush has a long history racist and sexist comments. This may be what classifies as typical political talk, but it does not make it any less hateful and stupid. Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Anyone else think there's a decent chance Trump would be assassinated before ever taking office if actually elected? Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 The right may have a dominance in radio but the left is pretty strong on television and the Internet. There is hate on both sides. That was my original point. As far as Rush goes, if I stopped watching or listening to everyone who may say something I disagree with or has an opinion that may *gasp* offend someone I'd have to turn off every bit of news or media or reporting or entertainment. I also know that there's an element of entertainment to just about all of these pundits. I enjoy trying to see things from other points of view or at the very least see why other people view things the way they do. Some of the things listed on the racist link were stretching to be called racist and others were in very poor taste. I'm slow to accuse people of racism or sexism but I know for many it's the "go to". At some point we'll end up pointing the finger and accusing people of these things so much that it just won't be effective when it really needs to be. Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 The right may have a dominance in radio but the left is pretty strong on television and the Internet. There is hate on both sides. That was my original point. The left is strong in Television? Last I checked Fox News pretty much lead the ratings: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/03/30/fox-news-channel-ratings-top-all-cable-networks-for-first-time.html And please don't trot out the main stream media has a left wing bias crap. It simply is not true. I do not disagree both sides spew "hate," but the conservative point of view has a much louder voice to do. In many rural areas, where internet is hard to come by radio is often times where people get their "news." This is generally dominated by conservative talk. As far as Rush goes, if I stopped watching or listening to everyone who may say something I disagree with or has an opinion that may *gasp* offend someone I'd have to turn off every bit of news or media or reporting or entertainment. I also know that there's an element of entertainment to just about all of these pundits. I enjoy trying to see things from other points of view or at the very least see why other people view things the way they do.Some of the things listed on the racist link were stretching to be called racist and others were in very poor taste. I'm slow to accuse people of racism or sexism but I know for many it's the "go to". At some point we'll end up pointing the finger and accusing people of these things so much that it just won't be effective when it really needs to be. Sigh. Let's go to its the left's go to thing to call some racist, idiom again. I don't think you and I will ever agree what is racist or sexist. It is a shame that people are so cautious with calling people out on their hate. It is because of that we are in a position of allowing people like Trump to get away with what he does. It seems to be that calling someone a racist is seen as worse then actually racism. Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 I don't get the "hate coming form the left too" thing. Who are these talk show people on the left dominating the media with their hate? Rachel Madow? Oprah? I don't see it. Link to post Share on other sites
ditty Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 The right may have a dominance in radio but the left is pretty strong on television and the Internet. There is hate on both sides. That was my original point.The left opinion shows were a direct reaction to The Rush Limbaugh Show. Pre Rush, politics was much more civil. Then he came along, then the internet, and then all hell broke lose. I don't get the "hate coming form the left too" thing. Who are these talk show people on the left dominating the media with their hate? Rachel Madow? Oprah? I don't see it. Exactly The Rush Limbaugh show premiered in 1988 The Rachel Madaugh show premiered in 2008 Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 I don't get the "hate coming form the left too" thing. Who are these talk show people on the left dominating the media with their hate? Rachel Madow? Oprah? I don't see it.I would be surprised if this question gets answered. Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 I would be surprised if this question gets answered. Would you? haha sheez I find it interesting that not long ago you made mention of the rise of internet and how it's helped us seek out and focus on things we agree with.Then you give a link that supports the belief that the mainstream media is not liberal. A view which you obviously believe is true but also one in which I can search on the internet and provide a link supporting the other opinion. I don't get the "hate coming form the left too" thing. Who are these talk show people on the left dominating the media with their hate? Rachel Madow? Oprah? I don't see it. I never said the left was "dominating the media with their hate". I said it's found on both sides. Bill Maher and Chris Matthews can both be ass holes and mean sometimes. There are some radio personalities, some political strategists, some pundits, some politicians on both sides that can be hateful. I've searched it on the internet. Now I like to visit this little thread and leave some opinions, thoughts and questions. Sometimes I give a shit enough to respond to something someone has said or answer a question but for the most part I try to take it lightly. I don't feel the need to take other peoples posts I disagree with and break them down, outline and search for links to support my different point of view. Facts are facts but there are moments when we can all go down the search engine route and find something that supports our belief. In the future, don't be surprised if I don't get around to answering a question. There's a good chance I didn't read your post. Link to post Share on other sites
ditty Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Bill Maher and Chris Matthews can both be ass holes and mean sometimes. There are some radio personalities, some political strategists, some pundits, some politicians on both sides that can be hateful. I've searched it on the internet. The difference is Bill Maher, Chris Matthew, Rachel Madaugh and now Samantha Bee rebuff the rights misleading or straight out lying comments. While on the right, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly come out with straight out lies, and their followers take segments as truth, without using the internet to search the truth. Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted June 19, 2016 Author Share Posted June 19, 2016 Bill Maher is a smug prick. He may be factually correct more often than Limbaugh, but he's almost as pointlessly crude and disrespectful towards people. Link to post Share on other sites
ditty Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Bill Maher is a smug prick. He may be factually correct more often than Limbaugh, but he's almost as pointlessly crude and disrespectful towards people. I get it, but sometimes it's fun to be a prick back to bigger pricks. Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Why does it seem that the only amendment conservatives care about is the 2nd? Link to post Share on other sites
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