Lammycat

Please, it's the same as taking performance enhancing drugs. No difference.

O.k.

Again, the degree of the puishment fits the "crime" in most cases. But we're talikng in circles again.

The true test will be taking them into a bath and seeing if they emerge hair-less. If not, I want no part of this. Roll-up arm skin or not.

No. Justifying cheating through steroid use seems to be fairly common. No one thinking this way will be swayed.

Almost sounds like you're intimating the reporter set out to nail A-Rod. I'd say that sounds like pointing fingers at the reporter. Whatever.

So, she's a journalist who was doing a piece on A-Rod and went to verify some rumors that turned out to be facts. I have no idea if she and her cohort got hold of the entire list but certainly A-Rod, the person she was reporting on, is a big scoop. Let's shoot the messenger, now?

I'm thinking that there are no names on the list of 104 players that come even close to A-Rod's in terms of his notability/popularity/pay check/stats/etc. Just a guess....

Something tells me we won't be seeing Kdelaney come down those stairs any more.

Selena Roberts (who broke the story) and an SI cohort were compiling a profile on A-Rod when they came across accusations of steroid use. They claim they did due diligence to confirm or deny the accusations and came across with what we now know. They didn't single him out or set out on a witch hunt to make him look bad. They were already working on a piece on him and followed through on a rumor. This is what Roberts claims.

It is kind of impish, isn't it?

I agree that the majority of fans don't care whether or not guys used.

I give him credit for copping to it but he was worked into a corner and didn't have much leeway any way.

The oversimplification was my point. It's one guy's take just like Madden's is. From the way these things pan out it seems that Sheehan and his ilk are in the minority. Either way, it affects the players caught cheating negatively.

This I do not get. He bald-faced lied when asked if he used PEDs/steroids. Got caught in the lie. And only then, came "clean." How does that take balls? It's the Pete Rose defense and it holds no water in my eyes.

They did drop the ball and it's un-excusable. I've heard that they held on tom the reacords searching for false positives, but still: no excuse.

"I don't really care that Alex Rodriguez used steroids."- Joe Sheehan. This sums up that article pretty well. So he doesn't care? Plenty of other people do. I'm not suggesting A-Rod used after 2003 but I would not be surprised if he did. His numbers do not spike like Bonds' do after his initial use. This leads me to wonder if he's been using them all along. Canseco said in his book that A-Rod's been using them since high school. Yeah, it's Canseco. But hasn't canseco been pretty much on target with all his other accusations? I think B2 is on to something about writers from different genera

That's a broad stroke. Regardless of what the fans think and semantics with years/illegality/baseball policy, sure-fire HoFers will most likely be denied that honor.

Unfair = cheating. Not cheating and getting caught cheating.

The few guys that this is being "pinned on" have all risen above the average player. Questioning the validity of that is part of the deal with all of this.

The ax to grind has to do with the fact that A-rod, Bonds, Clemens are all HoF candidates and have reached milestones in the sport under unsavory tactics. Plain and simple. A-Rod is not subject to punitive measures because of the nature of the testing and subsequent (non) consequences. I'm fine with that. If it costs him a HoF induction I'm absolutely fine with that as well. What do you do with Clemens? Pettitte? Giambi? Let the chips fall where they may. Pettitte and Giambi came clean with admitting their wrongs and nobody talks about it much anymore. Clemens takes the Bonds route and lo

Hence, cheating is justified. Horses shit. A-rod has built a reputation and bank account on being on the level. He wasn't. That alone should stand. Crying that A-rod was wronged when he did the wrong is mind-boggling to me. I guess it boils down to some folks just accepting of the era and wanting to cast blame anywhere but the true source. Jeez, you cheat and get caught you shouldn't be pointing fingers at everyone else. Whether it was generally accepted or not doesn't matter. It boils down to personal decisions. My take, at least.

I don't think it's being ignored and it's a bigger eye-opener (to me) than A-rod cheating. It's emblematic of the mess that MLB has helped bring on itself. Still, it does not excuse A-rod or others trying to one-up others on the level.

Sports Illustrated is not a reliable source? What possible reason do you have to think that SI is making this up? The almost comical thing here is that A-rod (and the other 103) were told about the test and continued to break law/rules and fail the tests. And yet you still cling to the hope that it's all hearsay and innuendo. If that isn't a resounding echo of a lot of the attitude surrounding this I don't know what is.

In the 80s I used to called a New Haven radio station often to request stuff for my drive to school and then started dropping off donuts to the dj's due to the nice interaction we started having. They always played my requests. Once, I called to request a tune and they asked if I wanted to "win " Dead tix (they knew I was into them) on air. Yes, of course, even though I already had tix to that Hartford show. They had me act surprised on-air as the 4th caller or whatever and I scored the tickets. Gave them to two friends who needed them.