Doug C

you're kinda dumb

It would have made laugh if you had typed 'your kinda dumb' instead.

According to one's own logic, one can never be wrong, no?

So would that make him out of his gourd or still in it? Wait... the above was the half answer I requested wasn't it?

Well yes, but it seems you are pointing to the legal definition and I'm pointing to the one where, regardless of whether you know it's right or wrong, you shoot a gun into a crowd of innocent people.

This is half smartassed/half serious so feel free to half answer. What if the shooter, free of a diagnosed mental illness, had, according to his logic, a belief that not one person in the crowd was innocent?

I apologize for saying 'disingenuous sacks of shit' in my earlier post. After reading the following on NPR, I respectfully change to lying sacks of shit: Palin aide Rebecca Mansour told conservative radio host Tammy Bruce over the weekend that those weren't targets, they were "a surveyor's symbol."

How do you read that quote as defending Clinton?

I must be high.

The only person at fault for this murderous act is Loughner. He did it. That said, it is still irresponsible for Palin to do the 'crosshairs' thing, for Giffords opponent to have the M16 'help take Giffords out of office' rally, Helms (I think) saying some nonsense about Clinton being shot if he went to North Carolina, and radio and tv pundits with their bombastic violent imagery, etc.

The only reason that they do these kinds of things is to get 'ratings', if you will. They are all intelligent enough to know that that type of imagery and rhetoric ratchets everything up several notches. Are they responsible for how their words and images may be interpreted by an unbalanced person? No but that doesn't absolve them from being disingenuous sacks of shit when they say, "That isn't what I meant" and "I condemn this person", etc., etc. Who will be the first among them to say, "I will no longer make these kinds of hyperbolic statements. I am not responsible for these violent actions but I also want no connection to them in any way. I urge all of my fellow politicians, commentators, etc. to join me in a pledge of responsibility".

Would acts like these happen even if the political landscape were devoid of that type of nonsense?, of course. But influential people should use their influence responsibly.

And sometimes a cigar is a surrogate dildo...but the article was still more pretentious and annoying than the nice little song it seeks to abuse.

I'm about as liberal as they come but I must ask... Are you defending/downplaying Clinton/Lewinsky? That was some indefensible shit. If the leader of the free world can't arrange a fellatio plus cigar up the vag session outside of his home, then he might not have been the best for the job. If I am misinterpreting you then never mind and I apologize.

Nothing beats a Recorded Nap/Jules v. Louie B throw down!!

I figured that he was making a dig at his Zep-mates but I am sure that he was also alluding to other musical peers. No matter if you'd rather hear Zep rock out or hear a crack band do some cool covers, it would be hilarious if Plant just said it.

it's not hard to guess at some:

Of course. But hearing him say the names with derision and include specifics would blow guessing away.

 

— Plant is endlessly annoyed by his musical peers (he won't name names) who do little besides replay their old hits. "There's nothing worse than a bunch of jaded old farts, and that's a fact," he says. "People who have written their story — they've gotten to the point where nothing moves. I don't deal in that, and I don't deal with anybody who deals in that."

 

Copyright 2011 by Rolling Stone.com

I must admit, what he is saying about Zep is sensible but my God, if he 'named names' that would be one of most delicious things ever! Come on, Plant! Name those names!!

the song blows, as far as i'm concerned

 

plodding, pointless, bloated, self-absorbed

 

"a song that thought too much of itself right out of the box" is a terrific way to put it!

Wait... it's a Yes song?

Anal Cunt needs to cover this song.

They will. It is on their forthcoming album "Taint the perineum".

Jeez...sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

 

The article is much more twee and precious than the song it seeks to vaguely skewer.

I knew that there was something about the article that appealed to me but I couldn't put my finger on it. Thanks for helping me understand why. It was clearly subconsciously arousing my major Belle and Sebastian love.

I agree with you that there is nothing wrong with this thread and I also have no desire to fuck it up. I don't understand your post.

Maybe you ain't worth the salt in my tears. Ha ha.

This is proving to be a very entertaining thread and I am certain that I am not alone in requesting that the mod/admins use their discretion and allow it to die a natural death. Thank you.

... And besides I am sure Leonard Cohen is more than happy to have folks sing his songs. Wasn't he in some financial deep water a couple years back? Folks singing this song help with his retirement.

 

LouieB

http://www.webheights.net/speakingcohen/natpost032009.html

The above link was in the NPRticle. Here is the pertinent section, from April 10, 2009:

Q: Let me ask you about Hallelujah for a moment because it's been an interesting year for Hallelujah. If it hadn't been a song Canadians and people around the world have been singing versions by Jeff Buckley, Rufus Wainwright, k.d. lang, it took on a whole new energy - a song that you wrote in 1984. This past Christmas it appeared, number one and number two on the U.K. bestseller charts... These were cover versions and your own version was also on the top 40 from 1984. What did you make of that?

A: Well I was happy that the song was being used of course. There were certain ironic and amusing side bars, you know, because the record that it came from which was called Various Positions - that record Sony didn't wouldn't put out. They didn't think it was good enough... It had songs like Dancing to the End of Love, Hallelujah, If it be Your Will. But it wasn't considered good enough for the American market and it wasn't put out. So there was a certain sense of a mild sense of revenge that arose in my heart. But I don't, you know, I was happy about it but it's I was just reading a review of a movie called Watchmen that uses it and the reviewer said - ``Can we please have a moratorium on Hallelujah in movies and television shows?'' And I kind of feel the same way.

I propose a compromise: musicians can keep doing the Hallelujah stuff if Bon Jovi stops touring and recording altogether, apologizes for his entire career, and promises never to do it again.

I fully support your modest proposal.

From NPR. Basically, it is a New Year's resolution request of singers/musicians to stop with the 'Hallelujah' already. Bon Jovi?!

http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2011/01/05/132667008/make-a-resolution-for-2011-leave-hallelujah-alone

About 3 years ago, a student surprised me with vinyl Yankee Hotel Foxtrot upon her graduation. It is something that I never would have bought or even had any desire to own but it is still the best, most thoughtful gift that I ever received. She is the epitome of a cool chick.

Though the above is true, in all honesty I must admit I only posted it as an excuse to say that I am upset that the "YHF 50 album decade" thread was locked. I understand and respect the need for moderating in a forum like VC but it sure can put a damper on the entertainment.

I just wanted to point out that this thread is hilarious. A big thanks to all of the posters.

If you knew, then why did you ask?

Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!! Thanks. I honestly laughed out loud. At that moment, you were a quick witted bastard. Kudos and my mind is changing regarding having a drink with you.

Though I guess that the royalty guy is correct. I still think it was funny.

If you are as much of a Belle and Sebastian nut as I, then you will appreciate this. If not, then why did you even click on the thread?

http://www.npr.org/2010/12/16/132088913/dec-21-belle-and-sebastians-holiday-spectacular

Another one that started as a teeny bopper pop artist that transformed into a somewhat respected artist is Alanis Morrisette.

Now that is a fine example! Well done. Not as popular as she was originally, but definitely had staying power post-teeny bop.

To stay on the thread topic, the Decembrists don't do much for me but I also haven't given them a fair chance.

Edit I think that the Beastie Boys fit the bill of way popular but not deep on the first album but have staying power, though less popular, throughout their career.

Yes on the Aimee Mann chops. She is one of our top 10 favorites.