Moe_Syzlak

You know, I went and listened to the Being There versions after i posted this and I can see that now. I personally can't stand the production on the Pre-YHF albums (things like the aforementioned phase effect), so in my head I'm thinking of solo Tweedy Sunken Treasure vs. Kicking TV Misunderstood.

Could this be more apples and oranges? Maybe ELT vs. Radio Cure? Anyway if the choice is Misunderstood (studio) vs. Sunken treasure (studio), I'll pick Sunken Treasure based on the live versions. The "nothing!" shouts in Misunderstood grate on me as does the phasing effect on Jeff's voice in the studio version.

Man, dreamy music is the LAST thing I'd want for late night driving. We've got to drive a total of 20 hours (minimum if traffic and the weather cooperate) between 5:00 PM this Friday and 5:00 PM this coming Sunday. So I will be following this thread intently.

Right LaFleur-Sawyer would have the memories of 2004 Sawyer, but 2004 Sawyer would not have the memories of LaFleur Sawyer. Similarly, 1970s little Ben would not have the memories of of 2004 Ben. BUT is 2004 Ben on the other island in the 1970s about to get a memory of LaFleur in the same way Demond's memory of Farraday suddenly popped into Desmond's head? THAT would be weird. LaFleur meets young Ben and older Ben, now on the small time plane (for lack of a better word) as young Ben, suddenly now remembers meeting the Losties in the 1970s.

Ha! that's great. I don't think I've ever seen that. It reminds me of the mullet family:

It looks like if night 1 was a return to the early 90s heyday, last night was a return to the Island Tour. We have still only seen two (peripheral) songs from a certain thesis: Possum and PYITE.

Yeah this is what i think too. There is NO WAY they will ask us to swallow the idea that Sawyer et al just lived with young Ben and didn't do anything about it. If they asked us to swallow that it would be the single biggest unbelievable turn in a show that features a wide array of ridiculous plot devices.

I'm up to Taste and it is really good. They are very tight though a little timid at first. Thing loosen up a bit midway through the first set. Page is the MVP, IMO.

Right and that would be fine with me.I was simply responding to KevinG who said that he feels it is entirely within the realm of plausibility for them to live in this compound for three years with a young Ben and not notice him. I disagree with that and if that were what the writers were asking us to swallow, I'd have a hard time with it ... but not the smoke monster and timeshiftimg donkey wheel!

All I'm saying is that they should acknowledge that a 12 year old Ben is running around. They did that with Charlotte immediately. It's a pretty big deal to have them living at the DI at the same time as little Ben don't you think? Regardless if they can DO anything about it. Besides, do you really think that is in keeping with Swayer's personality? "Oh look, it's little Ben Linus! In the future he's responsible for killing everyone here. Oh but wait, Daniel said we can't change anything, so I guess I'll just pretend he isn't here."

Huh? Sawyer's timeline means he WOULD have memories of 2004 even as he is LaFleur in the '70s. He knew Ben lived in that compound -- as did Juliette -- and he knew Ben's last name was Linus. You don't think that over the course of three years that Sawyer is living as LaFleur (not to mention Juliette) that he would notice a kid running around named Ben Linus? So, IMO, if the timelines we are talking about are accurate (i.e. Ben WAS living on the island with his dad while LaFleur is there), the show either hasn't yet addressed the fact that they DO in fact know who Ben is or it is a real continu

So I saw this last night. Very rare for me to see any movie on opening night, let alone a three hour comic book movie. But, for some reason, I found myself there. I know nothing about the book save for the little bits of general plot floating around right now. So I really had very little prejudice. I thought it was ... okay. It had its moments of being really good, but ultimately I was left kinda flat. It is an interesting concept, but I think ultimately the problem is not in adapting a graphic novel (though not having read it I can't really say), but in the fact that Also, I'm now very curi

AGiB YHF KT Rarely listen to any of the others. Not a fan a of the sound of those albums and prefer live versions.

To me it would be a fuck up if the timelines for Ben being on the island and Sawyer being part of '70s Dharma and they claim that they never knew or noticed Ben. We have always been led to believe that the DI compound is small enough (and the Linus family used the name Linus) that there should be no way they don't know about each other after three years of living together.

So I had said Curtain-> All Thing reconsidered-> Fluffhead opener ... or just Fluffhead if they didn't go with the cutesy. I had YEM as the second set closer and Loving Cup as the last song. Not bad. I was getting texts form inside the show from a friend that I have seen more than 100 Phish shows with and he said, "it's like 1994 in here" ... sweet!

In the mood for live music for some reason today.

I respectfully disagree. They are in a small compound for three years. They would know who is who. Hell, Daniel spotted Charlotte in like five seconds. Ben would still have the name Linus as would his father. If the Linus family is already on the island at this point Sawyer, Juliette, et al know who he is, IMO. If not, the writers fucked up!

Is it out yet?

In fairness, Bush was able to F things up a lot faster than 8 years.

One thing I really liked from the episode was seeing the statue, which I speculate is Thoth the Atlantean. Horus? Horace?

I love this line: As for openers, I'm going with this trifecta: Curtain-> All Things Reconsidered-> Fluffhead YEM will close the second set.

All of those episodes at least had flashbacks that provided character development (and I am one who found the flashbacks many times more interesting that he island's mysteroes). Last night's episode had NOTHING. We knew they were in the 70's or thereabouts from seeing Jin in the VW Bus. HOW they got to be part of the DI could've been handled in one quick monologue. Sawyer and Juliet? Okay who didn't see that one coming. Look everyone is allowed a clunker now and then, but I think that one was a clunker.

Am I the only one who felt this was the worst episode of the whole series!?! What did we learn? What was moved forward? I don't need questions and mysteries answered every episode, but it seemed to me the big plot movements of this episode were explaining they had been on the island for three years and that Sawyer and Juliet were an item. The Sawyer/Juliet thing was completely predictable and the three years could've been explained in a five minute scene as the jeep and VW Bus meet. Wasted episode if you ask me.

Look I actually agree with you that we are too dependent on credit (both individually and as a country), but to dismiss borrowing money as a form of wealth generation out of hand is ridiculous. Of course you can create wealth with borrowed money. What is your distinction about services (such as the landlord example)? You seem to be saying that you can't borrow money and then piss it away. If that's the case, that gets a big ole "well duh!" from me.