KevinG

with seeing this all over the place, you see how a guy can get confused. Plus the whole Tampa Bay Buccaneers thing. I did spend a week at a client site in the Tampa area, I remember going down to Ybor city, which was a bit nutty. I guess I never bothered to learn the difference between the Bay and the city.

Not living in FLA or anything, is it Tampa or Tampa Bay? Or are those two separate cities? I have seen it mentioned both ways when describing the RNC.

Yeah good sentiment, like “The greatest of all responsibilities is that of the strong to protect the weak.” That is a great sentiment, too bad Ryan, in practice, doesn't believe in that sentiment. I agree with you, Obama is style over substance. I but I highly doubt (and prove me wrong next week) if Obama will have the level of factual inaccuracies (as identified in the media) that Paul Ryan did last night.

I think that is the saddest statement out there.

I guess we will believe what we believe. I feel it was a dishonest speech, misrepresenting both PBO and Ryan's record. Next week, I welcome the litany of lies presented in Joe Biden's speech. Tonight I am sure Mitt will have some whoopers we can disagree on.

It is not twisting of numbers it is not speculation Paul Ryan lied and misrepresented his record. Let me summarize an article from Think Progress http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/08/30/772921/6-worst-lies-in-paul-ryans-speech/ since I guess you failed to read the other article I posted earlier. 1. Blaming PBO for the credit rating drop. It was stated by S&P that it was the inflexibility of the GOP to consider tax increases. 2. Amount of debt amassed by PBO greater than president before him. The math does not add up 3. The GM plant that was closed in Janesville WI was a broke

LouieB why would you be waiting for any type of explanation of how they are going to create jobs? Nearly every thing Paul Ryan has said has been a lie. Mitt Romney is no better. Last night Paul Ryan looked straight at American and with his big dreamy eyes, lied. I am sorry BleedOrange if I am getting too whining for you and I don't understand the inner workings of American politics. But he lied, and the GOP/TEA party ate that shit up with smiles on their faces. He misrepresented not only Obama's record, but the record of GWB, and his own. There was no nuance, he straight up lied.

So how do you all rate the dreamy Paul Ryan's speech last night? How do you feel about the string of lies and misleading statements he made? http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_breakfast_table/features/2012/_2012_republican_national_convention/paul_ryan_s_speech_included_an_incredible_string_of_false_or_misleading_statements_.html

I think we have had this argument before, so if I may this is how I sum up the two sides of this debate. 1. Business have more cash on hand and corporate profits are larger than any time in history. Because of this some think it is the business responsibility to hire workers. 2. Some think that businesses should have to hire just for the sake of hiring. Especially if there is no need, either because of advancement in technology or demand. So isn't this an argument for the Dem's economic plan? Increase the taxes on the wealthiest to pay for tax breaks on the middle class and continu

Tim Russert was awesome. He'd set this country straight.

1. Chris Christie's self aggrandizing speech (http://www.latimes.c...0,6024565.story) 2. The disingenuous of Chris Christie's shared sacrifice message (You are not sharing the sacrifice if the richest get tax breaks while the middle class and poor get programs cut) 3. The Ron Paul debacle (http://blog.chron.co...amed-at-romney/ and http://www.thenation...ses-back-romney) 4. A convention speaker and small business owner saying how the only reason he is still in business is because of the government (http://thinkprogress...acts/?mobile=nc) 5. There is also a mess of stuff in this interview wit

An interest TED talk about the myth of lower taxes on the rich and job creation. Which is as we all have acknowledged is the central issue in the campaign, how to grow the economy. The Ryan budget sees it as decreasing taxes on the rich (so they can create jobs) and Obama wants to tax the rich to pay for a stronger middle class.

I forget, is Chris Christie the GOP nominee for president? Cause his speech sure sounded like he was. Christie/Akin 2016!

So this is your first day on the internet I assume. Listen there is a fine line between doing whatever it takes to get a elected and lying to get elected, or using racism to get elected. I want to process not be tainted by using political means to keep people form voting. These things are important to point out. Do I think I am changing anyone's mind here? Of course not. But the debate is good and it passes the time. It also let's me express my outrage in a forum were people engage me and my beliefs. Sometime it is thoughtful other times it is stupid. But this is the internet. Peop

Exactly, well said as always. Also Tweedling and Jules, why didn't these questions of birth come up for John McCain, Mitt Romney, and Paul Ryan? My questions about their birth were as valid as those questions about PBO's. Prove to me they were born on in this country. Bring up once, fine, continually bring it up, come on (I am talking the GOP/TEA Party in general, not anyone here specifically).

President Barack Obama

Exactly, maybe I didn't explain my nuance in my point. John McCain was born in a US naval hospital in Panama. PBO was born in Hawaii. Why did no one question McCain's birth certificate? Do we really know that it was in the hospital, and not in some hut in the jungle? Why is no one questioning Mitt's for that matter? Michigan is awfully close to Canada and his family lived in Mexico. I mean I am not saying they weren't born in this country but you know it raises questions. And Paul Ryan, with his dream eyes and 6% body fat he doesn't even sound human. Are we sure he was born on this pl

Facts: PBO, father a Kenyan, mother married a Muslim, "raised" in Indonesia from 6 to 10, BORN in the US. I never said that if someone brings up his father, his mother's background, or his schooling in Indonesia, makes them a racist. Perfectly fine to do that, a person's history explains their character. Just as Mitt's schooling and history adds to his. However you question PBO place of birth, that is racism. Mitt is playing to that element with his joke. I mean hell, John McCain was born in freaking Panama and did he get dogged with the birther BS? No. Ask yourself why.

Wrong. The birth certificate thing, is and always has been thinly veiled racism. You think there would be any of this birther BS if PBO was named John Smith and white? Absolutely not. Now is Mitt a racist for saying his joke? No, probably not. But he is playing to that element in the republican party. Chris Matthews (as much of a blowhard as he can be) is right. The GOP is subtlety playing the race card, with their idiotic and untrue Welfare ads and now with this. And yet Mitt has the audacity to whine and cry that PBO is running a negative campaign.

Probably wishes she was there...

So the BBC is coming out with web shorts focused on Amy and Rory all this week, called Pond Life. I guess it will bring us up to date on what the Ponds have been doing since last we saw them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMdBsc5pQ1k&feature=youtu.be

Are you F'ing Serious Mitt? http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/08/romney-birtherism-joke-michigan Yes I know it was a joke. But it plays to the worst part of the anti-Obama rhetoric. It was in poor taste and shows that Mitt will play to far right wing. I don't know if I have ever seen or heard of a candidate in the modern era to move more right or left after sewing up the parties nomination.

I guess I would have a problem calling myself something or being part of group whose stated beliefs I don't agree with. Or at the very minimum I refuse to acknowledge that these are their beliefs. I think you misunderstood my use of "you." I was using it as the plural. Thing, those candidates who have the R after their name, they get money, they support the republican party. In some part they are ok with the platform. And if you vote for a republican, you may not agree with everything, but at the minimum you have to understand that the person you are voting for stands for the beliefs

So if someone calls themselves a republican even though they don't believe in the republican party line you are ok with that? Is a republican or democrat just a name only just saying anything to get elected? Basically you are ok with someone having no convictions? Listen if you call yourself a republican you have to acknowledge that the platform is the views of the party you stand for. It is not just a handful of nuts pushing an agenda. The convention ratifies the platform and says this is ok, this is what we believe.

But what I think he is trying to say the tax stuff isn't going to change anyone's mind. Apparently God really doesn't like the GOP anyway, as a hurricane is gonna hit Tampa right around convention time. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/23/isaac-republican-convention_n_1824673.html All joking aside, I do hope it misses Tampa, for the residents sake. Big time storms are nothing to f with.