EL the Famous

before or after you posted in the middle of it? eh, whatever, on the topic of race...and i saw only one person mention it, what about this:

absolutely. maybe i'm missing something...what he's saying (and what i'm agreeing w/) is that any decision made solely on account of race, regardless of the intent, is (by the actual definition) racist. if that isn't what he's saying, then i tap out. sure they are and so am i. and, yes, i'm sure that is in part of the fact that's he's black, for both of us. albeit, they may have it as a higher (but not sole) reason for their enthusiasm. i remember both mick and mason, to use him as an a example again, saying keyes was crazy and that they'd even 'vote for ditka or the other kinky dude' ove

= 'BLACKER THAN YOU, DUDE.' whatever.

really, i should stick to my wheelhouse of arguing palin's bang-ability and critiquing that lookalike porn they did of her. obviously, my attempts at serious discourse create a megaton bomb of confusion.

obviously, i couldn't agree...wy myself. jesus, this has become fucked up. BTW, dude, yes and thanks. i agree, i would/could never forget and take stock in how far we have come and, have yet to go.

i don't agree at all that the conversation in and of itself is ridiculous, but the fact that it's going in circles because nobody wants to really hear what the other is saying is. lou, i do see the difference...but that isn't what i or bobob is arguing. i keep responding because, again, i do take someone inferring that i'm racist or even racially insensitive and/or out of touch w/ regards to race as insulting. 'you had to be there'? no, no i don't...because i'm HERE and, while i'm respectful or the perspective it's provides and a big proponent of not losing sight of history so you don't repe

ugh. you are confusing my (and perhaps bobob's, Matt's, Gary's, etc) priortization (or is it de-priortization?) w/ absolute disassociation. yes, i both work with, know and call several african-americans good friends...but what does that have to do w/ anything?! again, i don't recall telling anybody that there is no historical relevance or even that an african-american shouldn't take pride in this election. plus, please see my last post, outside of doing so in jest...i don't refer to any of those aquaintances as my 'black friend' or my 'black co-worker' any more than they refer to me as their

let me preface the following by saying that, if i did come off overly sensitive to the initial pictures and history lessons in our nations' sorrid past w/ relation to race, i apologize. i'm guessing the intent was not to paint me as a racist or (hopefully) someone who's even an iota insensitive to race. to the contrary, i'm the polar opposite...due to a large part in my personal experiences with it. my grandparents, the sweetest most caring poeple in the world, during the earlier years of my youth would regularly use the words 'coon' or 'nigger' to describe anybody that was black. this was d

i love and respect you, lou...but in this case, i'm not supporting you. because, you are ignoring the fact that nobody is 'ignoring the history of slavery, racial segregation, racial dicrimination and the entire civil rights movement'. [quote name='Đ

who's ignoring anything other than, seemingly, what i'm posting?!

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skin to win.

i'd be a liar if i disagreed w/ a lick of that...i still find it impressive he was able to get everybody excited enough to trust that he was the guy to fix it. he didn't always have the lead he did when the thing wound down. i will say 'nice' campaign is an understatement...it was a picture of efficency, organization and marketing at it's finest. again, you are a pessimistic, contrarian sonfofagun, but you are a smart kid. i don't care what tully says.

i don't doubt that some people did vote for or against him based on that fact, but it isn't the only...nor the most significant reason to why he was elected. he could not win solely on the 'black vote'. also, i'll see your quad house party and raise you a grant park of every race, sex, sexual orientation under the sun. catch my drift? race will always be an issue, i will say i have your back on the extent to which it's an issue for your generation. i really do agree it's as significant as you say it is. i see it too. some folks, quite blunty, don't really want to see it become insignificant

a black person hanging from a tree will do that to me.

perfectly calm. I just think we would be remiss not to acknowledge the impressive (IMO) character and qualifications that Obama the candidate has shown, along with acknowledgement (versus more focus on) the historical significance of this election. and (still calm) i know i don't and i'm pretty sure no one on VC needed a slide show to remind me of our country's struggles w/ segregation and racism. still calm, but i do have to say, whether directed at my post or not, the lynching pic was completely unneccesary. to say it or any of the other pictures was overstating the obvious was an understate

i never said it's not a big deal, certainly didn't need a picture of a fucking lynching to remind me how far things have come and i never stated that the media should 'gloss over' anything. i just staetd it shouldn't be the only thing and that, personally, i found the more compelling story about how he transcended his race. so, really, you didn't get my point at all.

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is that farina from our gang?

we have a guy, who sits in a big room down in the basement, who's sole job is to send mail and fed-exes there. i did not know this initially, and i think something i shipped over a year ago is still stuck in their customs.

one of my engineers in brazil was pretty stoked. i believe he said 'good for you'...

thanks. new stuff just posted... didin't seem to get much a conversation going on the media's focus on his race here, so i had to gripe about it there.