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Not even in the same ballpark. Coulter has actually suggested that liberals (specific ones and in general) should be killed, tortured, etc. And that's just for starters.

 

If that's the best you can come up with in response, you've not only lost, it's a rout.

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You can compare Hitler to Stalin and maybe Genghis Khan and Pol Pot. And the Khan in Star Trek. Though Ricardo Montalban doesn't really deserve that kind of slander.

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Not even in the same ballpark. Coulter has actually suggested that liberals (specific ones and in general) should be killed, tortured, etc. And that's just for starters.

 

If that's the best you can come up with in response, you've not only lost, it's a rout.

 

Both of you are too dismissive of each other to argue; surely. Changing a quote into [bunch of quotes] is not going to lead to the other person debating properly. Asking for proof of a statement, then boiling that proof (whether you believe it to be proof or not) down to [bunch of quotes] is not going to lead to the other person spending the time to back up their views in the first place. This, I am sure, goes the other way too. So, why argue?

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Changing a quote into [bunch of quotes] is not going to lead to the other person debating properly.

I only did that to save space in my reply. Wouldn't have bothered me if he'd done the same to one of my responses.

 

ikol raised the question why nobody was complaining about people like Chomsky or Moore, and I challenged him to provide quotes from those two that were anywhere near as hateful or extreme as Coulter's. He couldn't.

 

I'm not really a fan of Moore and I wish Chomsky would spend less time writing his opaque political diatribes and more time writing his opaque linguistics texts, but as controversial as they both can be, they don't come anywhere close to Coulter's level of invective and bile, and it's at least possible to discuss their comments on an intellectual level, whereas Coulter's comments don't even merit such discussion.

 

My opinion on this doesn't arise out of my political bias, either: if Coulter were a liberal and said the same things about conservatives, I'd be just as dismissive of her. In fact, she would bother me a lot more, because she would be someone putatively "on my side" who gives liberals a bad name due to the crap she spews. That's kind of how I feel about Moore sometimes, though to a lesser extent (he's just intellectually lazy and sloppy with facts rather than hateful and irrational).

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I only did that to save space in my reply. Wouldn't have bothered me if he'd done the same to one of my responses.

 

ikol raised the question why nobody was complaining about people like Chomsky or Moore, and I challenged him to provide quotes from those two that were anywhere near as hateful or extreme as Coulter's. He couldn't.

 

I'm not really a fan of Moore and I wish Chomsky would spend less time writing his opaque political diatribes and more time writing his opaque linguistics texts, but as controversial as they both can be, they don't come anywhere close to Coulter's level of invective and bile, and it's at least possible to discuss their comments on an intellectual level, whereas Coulter's comments don't even merit such discussion.

 

My opinion on this doesn't arise out of my political bias, either: if Coulter were a liberal and said the same things about conservatives, I'd be just as dismissive of her. In fact, she would bother me a lot more, because she would be someone putatively "on my side" who gives liberals a bad name due to the crap she spews. That's kind of how I feel about Moore sometimes, though to a lesser extent (he's just intellectually lazy and sloppy with facts rather than hateful and irrational).

 

Sorry, I just got the impression you were taking the piss, and dismissing him, by doing what you did; and I thought that was only going to lead to him doing the same back to you. I agree with you, by the way, not that I know who this woman is - thankfully she's not impacted on my life in England yet, and hopefully never will.

 

. . . continue, the arguement (I can't add anything cos I don't know her) ...

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There's no argument to continue. He says the quotes I gave aren't as bad as the stuff Ann Coulter says. I say they are, but there's no way I can convince him of that.

Oh my god, you have got to be kidding.

 

If anyone agrees with ikol on this, please speak up. The quotes he offered are here.

 

For reference, here are a few Coulter chestnuts. There are plenty more where these come from.

 

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"When contemplating college liberals, you really regret once again that John Walker is not getting the death penalty. We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors." - at the Conservative Political Action Conference 26 February, 2002

 

"On the bright side, and in conclusion, at least college campuses serve as sort of internment camp for useless leftists in wartime. We know where they are, this way. And, as General Patton said, 'I love it when they come out and shoot at me because then I know where they are and I can shoot the bastards.'" -- Ann Coulter, CPAC conference, 2002

 

"Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots, and on the matter of America's self-preservation, the difference is irrelevant. Fifty years of treason hasn't slowed them down." Treason, p. 16

 

"The Democrats are giving aid and comfort to the enemy for no purpose other than giving aid and comfort to the enemy. There is no plausible explanation for the Democrats' behavior other than that they long to see U.S. troops shot, humiliated, and driven from the field of battle. They fill the airwaves with treason, but when called to vote on withdrawing troops, disavow their own public statements. These people are not only traitors, they are gutless traitors." New Idea for Abortion Party: Aid the Enemy November 23, 2005

 

"There are a lot of bad Republicans; there are no good Democrats."

 

"Conservatives believe man was created in God's image, while liberals believe they are gods. All of the behavioral tics of the liberals proceed from their godless belief that they can murder the unborn because they, the liberals, are themselves gods. They try to forcibly create 'equality' through affirmative action and wealth redistribution because they are gods. They flat-out lie, with no higher power to constrain them, because they are gods. They adore pornography and the mechanization of sex because man is just an animal, and they are gods. They revere the UN and not the U.S. because they aren't Americans -- they are gods."

 

"Liberals hate America, they hate flag-wavers, they hate abortion opponents, they hate all religions except Islam, post 9/11. Even Islamic terrorists don't hate America like liberals do. They don't have the energy. If they had that much energy, they'd have indoor plumbing by now." Slander, pp. 5-6

 

(talking to a disabled Vietnam vet) "People like you caused us to lose that war." -- MSNBC

 

"If you don't hate Clinton and the people who labored to keep him in office, you don't love your country." George, July 1999

 

"I really want to hurt him. I want him to feel pain." (Referring to the possibility of running against Democratic Representative Christopher Shays) as quoted in the Hartford Courant, June 25, 1999

 

"The FBI allowed thousands of Americans [in the WTC] to be slaughtered on the altar of political correctness. What more do liberals want?" This Whistle-Blower They Like, June 13, 2002

 

"The thing I like about Bush is I think he hates liberals." as quoted in the Washington Post, Aug. 1, 2000

 

"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building." New York Observer interview, 8/20/2002

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(talking to a disabled Vietnam vet) "People like you caused us to lose that war." -- MSNBC

 

I thought it was a conflict not a war.

 

Her sort of talk in England would just result in a lot of pointing and laughing at her, so I can't really take any of this stuff as anything but funny. However, I can see why you feel worried by what she says, and she certainly is far far more offensive in every respect than someone such as Michael Moore.

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I am not going to do this whole back and forth about who's worse. I'll only point out that Coulter is not taken seriously (even by most conservatives) whereas Chomsky and Moore are taken seriously.

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I am not going to do this whole back and forth about who's worse. I'll only point out that Coulter is not taken seriously (even by most conservatives) whereas Chomsky and Moore are taken seriously.

 

Have you done your civic duty and voted in ction's poll?

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I am not going to do this whole back and forth about who's worse. I'll only point out that Coulter is not taken seriously (even by most conservatives) whereas Chomsky and Moore are taken seriously.

That's a cop-out response, and it's not even true.

 

You may think she's not taken seriously, but she is repeatedly offered a slot as a "serious" pundit on the various cable and network news channels/programs. Moore has been largely marginalized, while Coulter's profile has only ascended.

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I am not going to do this whole back and forth about who's worse. I'll only point out that Coulter is not taken seriously (even by most conservatives) whereas Chomsky and Moore are taken seriously.

I'll agree with this. Ann Coulter is an entertainer. She says outlandish b.s. because it gets folks riled up and keeps her a topic of discussion. She has no affiliation with any particular media outlet (newspaper, t.v. network, magazine, etc.) so she is essentially accountable to no one but herself. She needs to keep her gig going and the way to do that is spew and print nonsensical drivel.

She reminds me a lot more of Howard Stern than Hitler.

She is easily dismissable by anyone with half a brain as she's not in the Politics business, but the entertainment business.

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I'll agree with this. Ann Coulter is an entertainer. She says outlandish b.s. because it gets folks riled up and keeps her a topic of discussion. She has no affiliation with any particular media outlet (newspaper, t.v. network, magazine, etc.) so she is essentially accountable to no one but herself. She needs to keep her gig going and the way to do that is spew and print nonsensical drivel.

She reminds me a lot more of Howard Stern than Hitler.

She is easily dismissable by anyone with half a brain as she's not in the Politics business, but the entertainment business.

Rush Limbaugh uses the same "entertainer" excuse.

 

The problem is, there are a lot of people who take Limbaugh and Coulter very seriously -- and it would be na

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You may think she's not taken seriously, but she is repeatedly offered a slot as a "serious" pundit on the various cable and network news channels/programs. Moore has been largely marginalized, while Coulter's profile has only ascended.

 

That's why I find even comparing her and Hitler hilarious:

 

Coulter = Pundit

Hitler = Dictator

 

I can't disagree the a large base of folks do take 'pundit' a little too seriously, but I balk that it's of numbers great enough to make as much of a difference as you make it sound. Also, I have to agree w/ ikol somewhat and say you're downplaying Moore's influence.

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