GutenAbend Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 I remember reading jeff say in an older issue of acoustic guitar world that alot of the songs off of YHF were in alternate tuning yet the tabs i see on here are mostly in standard.I know he listed daddad and dadaad as used alot on the recordings saying that if the chord sounded weird it was probably in one of those tunings.Any explanation? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Groo Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 It's a conspiracy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
froggie Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 i dont know of any of their tunes in those tunings Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dec1203 Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Can't say I'm overly familiar with either of the tunings mentioned above - especially in relation to Wilco songs - but there are certainly plenty of Wilco tracks where, Jeff primarily, uses some form of open tuning. From YHF for example; one, some or all of the guitars in Kamera, Radio Cure, I'm The Man Who Loves You or Pot Kettle Black could be in open D (or variations there of - Dropped D or Double Dropped D - hard to tell exactly?) and Poor Places Open C. If the tabs are in standard tuning then that is probably because it's the simplest way and anybody interested can then re tune and experiment using the chords given. Songs Like Not For The Season, Theologians, Sunken Treasure, I'm A Wheel etc, also show Jeff's achingly good use of Dropped D and Open D tuning Quote Link to post Share on other sites
napoleon Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 why can't all songs just be in standard tuning Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Basil II Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 why can't all songs just be in standard tuning It would'nt be any fun otherwise!!! -Robert. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chisoxjtrain Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 pot kettle black is in DADF#AD but iattbyh, war on war, jesus etc, ashes, heavy metal drummer, and reservations are definitely in standard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WaronWar Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 pot kettle black is in DADF#AD So is Radio Cure, which sounds awesome in that tuning. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dec1203 Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 From YHF for example; one, some or all of the guitars in Kamera, Radio Cure, I'm The Man Who Loves You or Pot Kettle Black could be in open D and Poor Places Open C. pot kettle black is in DADF#AD but iattbyh, war on war, jesus etc, ashes, heavy metal drummer, and reservations are definitely in standard. err yeah... like I said! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GutenAbend Posted January 13, 2007 Author Share Posted January 13, 2007 Found it! Tweedy may not consider himself a full-blooded country or folk musician, but one important element of both genres has always been central to his music: the acoustic guitar. "I've written one song on the piano in my life," he says. "And that was all on the white keys. I've written everything else on acoustic guitar." As the distinctive sonorities on several Yankee Hotel Foxtrot songs demonstrate, Tweedy, who favors vintage Gibson J-45's and Martin 0-18's, likes his altered tunings. "About half the new record is either in D A D F A D [open D minor--GWA Ed.] or D A D A A D," he notes. "Whenever the chords sound a little unusual, it's probably one of those." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GutenAbend Posted January 13, 2007 Author Share Posted January 13, 2007 any comment on this? Im sure tweedy know's his song's better than anyone else and now we just have to figure out what song's use the dadaad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Thats a tough tuning to motivate oneself to use. Nick Drake is the same way, if you want to try playing the song properly you have to pause for two minutes to retune the whole guitar. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kaysettes Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Nick Drake, oye vey. Most obnoxious tunings EVER. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Nick Drake, oye vey. Most obnoxious tunings EVER. Its so true but the songs are SO fun to play. Every couple months I tackle a new one (they are pretty hard for me to finger pick) and I can start to see his logic. I recently knocked Cello Song of the list if only because you just have to drop your G string a half step (and I am once again reminded that any reference to a G string still has potential sexual reference to my child like mind.) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kaysettes Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Do you play with nylon strings then? I was going to play some song off Bryter Lyter or Pink Moon and just about all of my strings broke. He's such a rat bastard, talented musician whom I love. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GutenAbend Posted January 18, 2007 Author Share Posted January 18, 2007 here's a cool tuning ive been playing with.. DE>(DOWN)DGBD,EBEGBE,GBDAAD,EBEAC#E,DADGCE... Mark Kozelek from the red house painters is like the second coming of nick drake.He uses some wacked out tunings.If you go to blue guitar,or just type it in youll find some tabs and tunings of his stuff.Simply amazing! I love the adventure in their playing.you never know what to expect. Do you play with nylon strings then? I was going to play some song off Bryter Lyter or Pink Moon and just about all of my strings broke. He's such a rat bastard, talented musician whom I love. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GutenAbend Posted January 18, 2007 Author Share Posted January 18, 2007 Last but not least the one who is probably the most well known for using alternate tunings...Joni Mitchell.Her tunings are just crazy..also ani difranco uses some cool ones. here's a cool tuning ive been playing with.. DE>(DOWN)DGBD,EBEGBE,GBDAAD,EBEAC#E,DADGCE... Mark Kozelek from the red house painters is like the second coming of nick drake.He uses some wacked out tunings.If you go to blue guitar,or just type it in youll find some tabs and tunings of his stuff.Simply amazing! I love the adventure in their playing.you never know what to expect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GutenAbend Posted February 26, 2007 Author Share Posted February 26, 2007 these tunings are very important when playing wilco songs,at least if you want to do them the right way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
barnyard pimp Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 I'm gonna bump this topic to hopefully open up some more discussion on the D tunings quoted by Tweedy (and to point out that in another thread, Tweedy was cited as using open E capo 1 for "Man Who Loves You", which is probably for the live version, w/ open D minor for the LP version?). Obviously Kamera, Radio Cure, and Pot Kettle Black are in "D" tunings -- does anyone have concrete reasons to apply a specific tuning to any of these? Is the F# an obvious burden on any of these, making it clearly DADAAD, or do any of them clearly need the F#, making it likely open D (DADF#AD) ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gobias Industries Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 I've always done DADDAD for Radio Cure, the 3rd always sounded a little weird in there. Sometimes Pot Kettle Black works the same way, but now it doesn't so bad to me. As far as I can tell:IATTBYH - Standard Capo 2Kamera - DADF#ADRadio Cure - DADDADWar On War - Standard Capo 0Jesus, etc. - Standard Capo 5Ashes of American Flags - Standard Capo 0Heavy Metal Drummer - Standard Capo 5I'm THe Man Who Loves You - DADF#AD Capo 3 or EBEG#BE Capo 1 (or Drop-D Capo 2-3 for solo versions)Pot Kettle Black - DADF#ADPoor Places - Standard Capo 3 (or Bb F Bb F Bb D for the "rehearsal" version that appears in the IATTBYH movie)Reservations - Standard Capo 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chisoxjtrain Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 I'm THe Man Who Loves You - DADF#AD Capo 1 (or Drop-D Capo 2-3 for solo versions) Its actually EBEG#BE Capo 1. This was told to me by Jeff Tweedy at a living room show. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
anthony Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 Its actually EBEG#BE Capo 1. This was told to me by Jeff Tweedy at a living room show.I would love to see a tab / transcription of this song in this tuning. Anyone wanna give it a go? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gobias Industries Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Its actually EBEG#BE Capo 1. This was told to me by Jeff Tweedy at a living room show. Oops, either way you can just move it up two or change the tuning. I made a mistake...I have no idea as to what I was thinking. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
anthony Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Oops, either way you can just move it up two or change the tuning. I made a mistake...I have no idea as to what I was thinking. BTW, I always prefer tuning down to D then capo up in lieu of tuning up to E. Less tension / stress / string-breakage. So..... No tab for the Open Eb version? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
barnyard pimp Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 howdy folks, i gave the live version a shot over here: http://forums.viachicago.org/index.php?showtopic=34420 please let me know what you think... (hey, my first tab for this site, i believe!) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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