Lammycat Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 Yeah, it was 2-0 at that point in the 8th. Schilling ended up giving up 2-3 hits by the end of the game with ARI winning 2-1. There was the usual argument about protocol/etiquette and earning your way onto the bag at that stage of the (near-perfect) game, as I recall. The other team is looking for a "W" just the same, though. Fuck 'em. It's nobody's duty to lay down for a pitcher just because he's about to complete a no-hitter or perfect game. I don't care if it was 1-0 or 10-0 -- if you can get yourself on base somehow, do it, whether it's a bunt or whatever. Otherwise, who cares about a no-hitter/perfect game? I mean, if the other team is actually collaborating in some way, why is it even an achievement?I agree. It's still shady, though. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 Yeah, I agree with cryptique -- players shouldn't be criticized for helping their team out by getting on base. That being said, it is "tradition" not to bunt for a base hit if a pitcher is near a no-hitter, but I'd always thought that it was accepted in a close game. Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 I agree. It's still shady, though.How is it shady? If a guy is able to lay down a good bunt and beat the throw, then why shouldn't he try it? If that's not "earning" your way on base, I don't know what is. I'm all about etiquette -- I don't believe in showing up the pitcher after a home run, for example -- but that's an extracurricular, not-in-the-box-score kind of thing. A bunt single is just that: a single, and something that could spark a rally and affect the outcome of a game. If your team needs a baserunner, why is it "shady" to lay one down? And why is the need for baserunners any less in a 10-0 game than a 1-0 game? If anyone is obligated to "earn" something during a possible no-hitter or perfect game, it's the pitcher. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 I can understand why people would get worked up over someone bunting for a base hit if it's like the ninth inning and the score is 10-0 (even though I disagree). But in a close game, shouldn't a hitter be trying to win? If not, he may as well just purposely swing and miss at everything so as to speed up no-hitter result. Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 I'm not suggesting it's unethical or cheating when I use the term "shady." It's shady because it crosses the unwritten rule line (or at least comes close) in many people's eyes. Ballplayers and fans alike. That's all. I remember reading in a local paper out there the next day quotes of other players saying they would not have bunted in that situation. Others were praising Davis (most Padre's players/coaches). It's just a fine line with some people believing it's a step over that line. Hence, it's shady. Just part of the often finicky nature of the game Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 I'm not suggesting it's unethical or cheating when I use the term "shady." It's shady because it crosses the unwritten rule line (or at least comes close) in many people's eyes. Ballplayers and fans alike. That's all. I remember reading in a local paper out there the next day quotes of other players saying they would not have bunted in that situation. Others were praising Davis (most Padre's players/coaches). It's just a fine line with some people believing it's a step over that line. Hence, it's shady.That's one unwritten rule I don't much care for. Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 That's one unwritten rule I don't much care for.I'm with you. Maybe a better term for me to have used would have been "ballsy." Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 It'd be really nice if Scott Olsen would stop pitching like shit. Ask and ye shall recieve. The power of the VC baseball thread is not to be ignored. Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied lightning Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 um, Brad Thompson has given up 20 hits in 4 innings I swear it read 20 hits yesterday, oh well 10 in enough for 4. does anyone watch the all-star game ?I remember when I was a kid, I couldn't wait to see it, not now. I guess cable TV ruined it. You see all the players now.when we only had the game of the week to watch it meant something. Link to post Share on other sites
darkstar Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 I swear it read 20 hits yesterday, oh well 10 in enough for 4. does anyone watch the all-star game ?I remember when I was a kid, I couldn't wait to see it, not now. I guess cable TV ruined it. You see all the players now.when we only had the game of the week to watch it meant something. The all star game lost it's luster for me that year Selig declared it a tie. I mean WTF? how can you have a tie in baseball. I know it's an exhibition and that both sides probably had no pitchers left and no one wants an injury in such a game but Jeeeezus a tie? EDIT: I mean even a coin-flip to decide it or something..... Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted June 13, 2007 Author Share Posted June 13, 2007 I don't have cable, so I never get to see any baseball outside of the Fox game of the week. I'll be watching the All-Star Game, even though it's stupid that it "counts." Link to post Share on other sites
darkstar Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 I don't have cable, so I never get to see any baseball outside of the Fox game of the week. I'll be watching the All-Star Game, even though it's stupid that it "counts." That is some dumb shit right there. I can't believe a team gets home field advantage because their leauge wins the all-star game. Should be the team with the best record. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 I still enjoy watching the All Star Game. I agree that the "This time it counts" garbage is stupid though. Home field should be determined by best record. If it really "counts", then they'd change the way in which players were selected for the team. Seems dumb that a team who had the better season has to play on the road because some other team in their league has fans who are more motivated to vote for their own shitty players than for the players who are really having the best years. If it "counts", then they should be able to but the best team possible out there. If it's just for fun, which is perfectly okay with me, and definately what the fan voting system reflects, then something as important as home field advantage in the World Series shouldn't hinge on it. Link to post Share on other sites
jenbobblehead Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 we'll be in San Fran for the All Star game and i plan on getting a t-shirt Link to post Share on other sites
rwrkb Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 i'm really sick of espn always showing yankees games. who gives a crap about the yanks and the dbacks? Link to post Share on other sites
jenbobblehead Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 i thought these expansion teams were supposed to SUCK?! who is a Rockies fan?! Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 i thought these expansion teams were supposed to SUCK?! who is a Rockies fan?! Cough cough. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 Hmmm... Pudge... Cough cough. Yeah, and there's Sheff. I think I can see what you're getting at, but the Tigers aren't an expansion team. They've been around for like 110 years already. Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied lightning Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 ok, I've had enough of this Reds bullpen. who wants to trade pens ? Link to post Share on other sites
quarter23cd Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 ok, I've had enough of this Reds bullpen.who wants to trade pens ?Sure. You want Baltimore's? Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted June 15, 2007 Author Share Posted June 15, 2007 This is actually pretty funny. Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied lightning Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 yeah, I'd try any pen but ours. Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied lightning Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 Redsnow play Texas, that should be fun for the hitters Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied lightning Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 Yanks Mets tonight. Mets got any chance to win one ? hope they Roger. Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 Not really. Link to post Share on other sites
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