isadorah Posted June 28, 2007 Author Share Posted June 28, 2007 He basically cursed Michael Moore and said it was all complete bull. I know he didn't see the movie this is what frustrates me. it's such a shame. i know michael moore has some pretty extreme tactics in his movies, but i don't understand folks that refuse to see something yet argue against it. back when Bowling for Columbine came out, I was talking to a friend on my soccer team. She is very conservative and worked for Senator Allard on the hill (remember the amendment to ban Gay marriage? that was his). In our conversation it came up that she went to Columbine High School a few years before the shootings and I asked her if she had seen the movie and what her thoughts were on gun control. She got very offended and declared her hate for Michael Moore and all things liberal. I'm not sure how it happened, but the conversation continued and we managed to have a very civilized conversation about some of the points in the movie and each of our personal beliefs on gun control (once she got past the Michael Moore hate) and it turned out we were in complete agreement on the subject. She was very surprised. i wonder if sicko will help spark a civil conversation or if what happend to WilcoFan will be the trend. [sorry to hear about your son and the bill] Quote Link to post Share on other sites
radiokills Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 i didnt like fareinheight 9/11 for a lot of reasons, but Sicko looks good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
anodyne Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 my favorite thing about Fahrenheit 9/11 was that the dvd release spurred the dvd release of THE BIG ONE. now THAT's a fun flick. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
napoleon Posted June 30, 2007 Share Posted June 30, 2007 i watched this a couple of weeks ago, but i also went opening day to see it in theatres. i think it affected me ten times more in theatres. being around people laughing, gasping, and most of all crying. i left the theatre feeling worse than i did when i watched it online. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tugmoose Posted June 30, 2007 Share Posted June 30, 2007 Watch it here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Papillon Parade Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Saw it last night...once again thanked my lucky stars to be born a Canadian. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dreamin' Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 To paraphrase the great Tommy Douglas, watch out for the big guy with an idea! Saw it last night...once again thanked my lucky stars to be born a Canadian.Let's just hope we can hang on to what we've got. With increasing pressure to allow more privatization, NAFTA could open the door to HMOs that would bleed our public system dry. Profit is not the cure! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dannygutters Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 I really thought the bits from the 'old labor' mp were good. Infact the whole movie was heartbreaking in a way I haven't gotten from a moore movie since Roger and Me. He really just let these people tell their stories and their stark truth is the most shocking part. Sure there's things to hate here if you don't like moore, the standard comunist stock footage clips over regans voice, the going to guantanamo 'stunt' but really this is a touching film and made me think about universal healthcare as more than just a pipe dream. That being said, the primary reason I don't like hillary is outlined in this movie with her total falilure on healthcare reform, so moore even includes something to satisfy his haters. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dreamin' Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 More food for thought. Medicare Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ikol Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 When he did his little Cuba stunt, did he mention that the healthcare that the Americans got in Cuba wasn't something that most Cuban citizens get? And did he go through any of the problems with government-run healthcare? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 I was pretty stunned by this movie. I take any of Moore's films with a grain of salt, and I'm sure that some points were made out of context, but the issue at the heart of the movie (to me at least)--how we as Americans decide to view and treat healthcare philosophically, economically, politically--has been spinning around in my head ever since. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WilcoFan Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 I was pretty stunned by this movie. I take any of Moore's films with a grain of salt, and I'm sure that some points were made out of context, but the issue at the heart of the movie (to me at least)--how we as Americans decide to view and treat healthcare philosophically, economically, politically--has been spinning around in my head ever since. Same here. His call for people to stick together for the common good stuck with me. A change like this could change the American outlook on EVERYTHING. Americans are so disjointed and uninterested in their neighbor's general well-being. I would like to see that change. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dannygutters Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 Same here. His call for people to stick together for the common good stuck with me. A change like this could change the American outlook on EVERYTHING. Americans are so disjointed and uninterested in their neighbor's general well-being. I would like to see that change. The interest thing about this issue this that most american's are FOR it (by a 2-1 margin I believe). It's really an issue that is non-partisan, maybe for that fact that the insurance and health care industries have very strong lobbists it's seen as not wanted by the "people". I'll bet hillary is kicking herself now, if she had succedded with her healthcare initiative she would be a much more palatable candidate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tugmoose Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 The part that lost me (and I'm guessing a few others) was the French guy who felt that 3 months paid recovery time wasn't enough, so he got another 3 months paid to "recover" in the south of France. Just how long would it take Americans to bankrupt a system like that? Heartbreaking, yes, and a defining issue of our time, but trivialized by typical MM mock surprise and stunts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 Just how long would it take Americans to bankrupt a system like that?Do you believe the French can bankrupt a system like that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tugmoose Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 Do you believe the French can bankrupt a system like that?Hey, this is America. We can out-bankrupt anybody in the world! Basically it looked like the French govt is scared shitless of their people and will handout anything they ask for. So, naturally, the people keep asking for more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hodie Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 Yeah, a government by the people and for the people, how very horrible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tugmoose Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 Yeah, a government by the people and for the people, how very horrible.I want I want I want gimme gimme gimme. Sounds great! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
anodyne Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 i worked in a place that had unlimited sick days. there were about 400 employees in the company. one person abused it, taking off a whole month paid sick. she was asked to document her illness and couldn't. she was fired. they still have unlimited sick days as most in the company feel a shared bond and don't want to wreck what they have. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 The part that lost me (and I'm guessing a few others) was the French guy who felt that 3 months paid recovery time wasn't enough, so he got another 3 months paid to "recover" in the south of France. Just how long would it take Americans to bankrupt a system like that? Heartbreaking, yes, and a defining issue of our time, but trivialized by typical MM mock surprise and stunts. That guy had cancer and went through a brutal round of chemo treatment. Definitely something you don't bounce back from right away. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dreamin' Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 Yeah, a government by the people and for the people, how very horrible.That Lincoln guy sounds like a Commie. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
anodyne Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 That guy had cancer and went through a brutal round of chemo treatment. Definitely something you don't bounce back from right away.and it's not like he had to go very far to get to southern france! he's not flying there from des moines. it might have been a couple hours by train, max. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hodie Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 I carry around this image of Americans as being generous, big-hearted people. But when I realized how shocked most of us would be at the idea of giving a chemo patient three months' paid recovery time (or a new mother help with the baby, or an unemployed person health care), we don't feel so big-hearted any more. Other countries are doing it. I'm sickened (pun unintentional) that it feels impossible here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 I'm not really original in pointing this out, but I would like to point out that we DO have socialized medicine in los estados unidos, which we pay for like it is single-malt cocaine served on the ass of a $2,000-an-hour escort. It is called the Emergency Room. I could be wrong, but I can't believe it would be more expensive to get our 44.8 million uninsured into an HMO than to let things go as they are. But a lot of misguided thinking seems to prevent this from happening. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dreamin' Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 Did anyone just catch the live interview with Michael Moore on CNN? lmao! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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