mjpuczko Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Do you guys think that on rap boards they talk about what the best era of alt country was???maybe in bizarra world! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rileykill Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Do you guys think that on rap boards they talk about what the best era of alt country was??? Hels yea! If you gotz the new Okkervil River joint you betta holla! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
W(TF) Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Great albums from both periods (many listed by the O.P.) but The Fugees' The Score ('95) is the only one I'd have on my top 20 desert island discs, so I have to go with the later period. But I'm just a white kid from the suburbs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 maybe in bizarra world!can u imagine?! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 93-97 has what I consider to be handsdown the best hip hop record of all time in Illmatic. That probably gives it the edge, though 88-92 had some amazing stuff that was more socially conscious and arguably more important. I just think the music itself was better in the latter period. Plus Illmatic is so far above every other hip hop album that even if that was the only record released in those 4 years, I might still give it to that period. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mjpuczko Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 that was supposed to be bizarro. fugees the score is fantastic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
benjamin Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Plus Illmatic is so far above every other hip hop album that even if that was the only record released in those 4 years oooohhh.. that's a tough call for me over Notorious BIG's - Life After Death (1997) and Scarface - The Diary (1994) This is TOUGH... I've written 3 responses to far, and I've deleted each one. It should almost be done by sub genres. Social Awareness, Gangsta, East, West. Crap. I can't decide. I'll have to go to the #1 defining moment of hip hop..... "Opposites Attract" by Paula Abdul and MC Skat Kat. Which was what year? 1988. 1988-1992 wins! I'd probably say 88-92 would do it for me based on these albums:Public Enemy - Apocolypse 91... The Enemy Strikes Black (remember "By The Time I Get To Arizona" being banned on MTV?)Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique (set the standard for sampling)Dre - The Chronic (the end of old school in my eyes)LL Cool J - Momma Said Knock You OutNWA - Ni**az4life (hmmm for some reason I always associate this album with playing "Talking Joe Montana Football" on Sega)Geto Boyz - We Can't Be StoppedToo Short - Short Dogs In The House I loved those albums Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 I did not realize the Chronic came out in the early period... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
benjamin Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 I did not realize the Chronic came out in the early period... I cheated and did some research on allmusic.com Dec 15, 1992... so by the skin of its teethhttp://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:gbfuxq95ldae Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 I did not realize the Chronic came out in the early period... barely, December of 92. i'd actually lump it in w/ 93-97. illmatic is killer, but i don't see how it could fit the bill of greatest of all time. respectfully. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Ah, yeah. That makes sense, as the Chronic always seemed like a pretty handy dividing line between "old school" and "new school". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 I remember, as a PE/NWA/Digital Underground/Beasties/Run-DMC fan, hearing "Nothing But a G Thing" for the first time in 93 and getting depressed at what was sure to follow. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 when Tupac joined Death Row, that's when everything went sour for me...i only listened to rap/hip-hop in passing at that point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 barely, December of 92. i'd actually lump it in w/ 93-97. illmatic is killer, but i don't see how it could fit the bill of greatest of all time. respectfully. Of course, what the hell do I know about hip hop, I'm a white/peurto rican who lives in a gated community in Pembroke Pines, Florida. My top 5 hip hops albums: 1. Nas- Illmatic2. Beastie Boys- Paul's Boutique (Every damn song is a classic) after that, it gets really cloudy, but I get the feeling the Grey Album by Danger Mouse might be on there, so, again, what the hell do I know? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Of course, what the hell do I know about hip hop, I'm a white/peurto rican who lives in a gated community in Pembroke Pines, Florida.Covert Ops: "He's detailing his coordinates!"CIA Exec: "It's a trap!" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 rap music blows edit: this is 65 days Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rileykill Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Of course, what the hell do I know about hip hop, I'm a white/peurto rican who lives in a gated community in Pembroke Pines, Florida. My top 5 hip hops albums: 1. Nas- Illmatic2. Beastie Boys- Paul's Boutique (Every damn song is a classic) after that, it gets really cloudy, but I get the feeling the Grey Album by Danger Mouse might be on there, so, again, what the hell do I know? Well, you named three of the good ones. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Covert Ops: "He's detailing his coordinates!"CIA Exec: "It's a trap!" Come and get me, bitches. Roll up in the PP you'll see how we roll. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big Perm Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 illmatic is in the BP top 5 of all time Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 I want to put Late Registration in my top 5, but I seem to be the only person who considers that a classic. I credit that album with getting me back into hip hop when I started believing that nothing good was coming out of the genre. Thanks to that album, I started listening to alot more hip hop, and I discovered guys like Common and Lupe, plus I went back and discovered Illmatic and Reasonable Doubt and a whole slew of other records that he references in that one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted August 15, 2007 Author Share Posted August 15, 2007 I think it is interesting that Tribe is one of the few bands that crosses the eras effectively. Low End Theory (88-92) and Midnight Marauders (93-97). I also remember thinking at the time that they changed quite a bit between those two albums. Phife took a much larger role, Q-tip's rhymes were harder, etc. The production definitely was kicked up a notch. So they saw the world changing and kept up with it. And for me, De La Soul died with De La Soul is Dead. That was their last great album. They didnt make the leap across the great divide. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
W(TF) Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 illmatic is killer, but i don't see how it could fit the bill of greatest of all time. respectfully. Not that I trust music critics...but Illmatic is often refered to as the greatest rap record ever. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Yeah, but ATCQ gets lucky with that dating. They made just about 100% nothing after Marauders. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rileykill Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 And for me, De La Soul died with De La Soul is Dead. That was their last great album. They didnt make the leap across the great divide. Really? Stakes Is High is one helluva record ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted August 15, 2007 Author Share Posted August 15, 2007 Yeah, but ATCQ gets lucky with that dating. They made just about 100% nothing after Marauders. I suppose that's fair. But I thought Marauders was a genuine effort to evolve and keep up with where rap was headed, and for the most part, they did that. They just blew their wad and couldn't do it after that. I also prefer Low End Theory, which is why I am in the 88-92 era, in large part. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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