Wilco Worshipper Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 I was listening to my independent radio station this afternoon and got to hear Jim MorrisonJimi HendrixFoo Fighters and THEN... OUR boys *sigh* Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gobias Industries Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Ew, Foo Fighters. That's all I'm going to say. Except that Hendrix is still overrated. He is NOT God. Nels Cline is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilco Worshipper Posted August 29, 2007 Author Share Posted August 29, 2007 I was going to eliminate the Foo Fighters part, but I didn't want to lie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
you ever seen a ghost? Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 plus, let's face it, The Doors suck too. -justin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilco Worshipper Posted August 29, 2007 Author Share Posted August 29, 2007 plus, let's face it, The Doors suck too. -justin Man, Justin I just do NOT know what to say to you anymore Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jhh4321 Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 new foo fighters single is awesome Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Except that Hendrix is still overrated. He is NOT God. Nels Cline is. Nels is very accomplished at the instrument. Hendrix reinvented the intsrument. Whether you like Henrix or not, he can't be overrated since he's the "rated" that everyone else on rock guitar is compared to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PigSooie Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 new foo fighters single is awesome "The Pretender?" Man, I just can't get there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Nels is very accomplished at the instrument. Hendrix reinvented the intsrument. Whether you like Henrix or not, he can't be overrated since he's the "rated" that everyone else on rock guitar is compared to.Truely... LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jhh4321 Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 "The Pretender?" Man, I just can't get there. Yeah! I think part of this is because it has the same melody and similar lyrics as a song from sesame street "one of these things is not like the other, one of these things just doesnt belong," but still manages to sound pretty cool. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bedbug Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Wilco + Hendrix > Foo Fighters + Doors Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilco Worshipper Posted August 29, 2007 Author Share Posted August 29, 2007 Wilco + Hendrix > Foo Fighters + Doors Fair enough Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gobias Industries Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Nels is very accomplished at the instrument. Hendrix reinvented the intsrument. Whether you like Henrix or not, he can't be overrated since he's the "rated" that everyone else on rock guitar is compared to. Hendrix just used the blues, and, in a way, beat it to death. That's not reinventing guitar to me. If you mean reinventing showmanship, then I could give you that, given his guitar burning, chewing, and smashing. To me, reinventing means taking the guitar to areas before entirely unseen. And limiting the scope to rock is just pointless, in my opinion. I speak in terms of all the genres of guitar music. Granted, I'm the kind of person that doesn't applaud technical skill as much as doing something new with the instrument. Having come from a classical background I know what technical playing is and, to be honest, the violin is much more friendly towards technical playing...take, for example, Saint-Saen's Rondo capriccio, or Wieniawski's Polonaise brilliante... As you can see from my classical background I couldn't care less about techincal skill. Anyone can pick up and play quickly. It takes a real person to make it into something more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
you ever seen a ghost? Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Jim Morrison, a self-styled rock "poet"? please. >Wilco + Hendrix > Foo Fighters + Doors that's about it. as far as The Doors are concerned though, i like "The End"...when used in proper context in Apocalypse Now. same way i like "Don't Stop Believin'," used in proper context in...well, everybody knows that one by now... -justin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilco Worshipper Posted August 29, 2007 Author Share Posted August 29, 2007 You know looking back...this is definitely the quickest I've ever seen a topic change...2nd post Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bedbug Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Hendrix just used the blues, and, in a way, beat it to death. That's not reinventing guitar to me. If you mean reinventing showmanship, then I could give you that, given his guitar burning, chewing, and smashing. To me, reinventing means taking the guitar to areas before entirely unseen. And limiting the scope to rock is just pointless, in my opinion. I speak in terms of all the genres of guitar music. Granted, I'm the kind of person that doesn't applaud technical skill as much as doing something new with the instrument. Having come from a classical background I know what technical playing is and, to be honest, the violin is much more friendly towards technical playing...take, for example, Saint-Saen's Rondo capriccio, or Wieniawski's Polonaise brilliante... As you can see from my classical background I couldn't care less about techincal skill. Anyone can pick up and play quickly. It takes a real person to make it into something more. Speaking as someone who has grown to appreciate Hendrix over time, I have to say there's a lot more to Hendrix's playing than just blues. Sure, you've got Red House and Voodoo Chile, pretty much straight blues, and IMO not high points in Jimi's catalog. My favorite stuff of his is very non blues. 3rd Stone From the Sun - instrumental pre-fusion. Are You Experienced? - eastern-tinged psych. Manic Depression - 3/4 time, classic "heavy trio" sound. Good stuff all around. I think there's a bit of a Hendrix backlash because every 13 year old beginner guitar player, or burnout stoner dude has a poster of him on his wall. I think it's time we all embrace our inner 13 year old beginner guitar player and/or burnout stoner dude. Seriously though, going on the singles, "Foxy Lady," et al, it doesn't seem nearly as impressive, but there's a lot of musicians the same could be said for. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Hendrix just used the blues, and, in a way, beat it to death. That's not reinventing guitar to me. If you mean reinventing showmanship, then I could give you that, given his guitar burning, chewing, and smashing. To me, reinventing means taking the guitar to areas before entirely unseen. And limiting the scope to rock is just pointless, in my opinion. I speak in terms of all the genres of guitar music.Hendrix incorporated Blues, Jazz, and R&R and fused it into a psychedelic sound yet to be heard at that point. He made feedback fashionable/listenable. He broke ground by playing Rock guitar (hence my disticntion) previously unheard of. That is reinventing the instrument, imo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
W(TF) Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Ew, Foo Fighters. That's all I'm going to say. Except that Hendrix is still overrated. He is NOT God. Nels Cline is. ^ That's a nice example of one ridiculous statement followed by another, or three. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Anyone can pick up and play quickly. actually, not really. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bedbug Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Hendrix incorporated Blues, Jazz, and R&R and fused it into a psychedelic sound yet to be heard at that point. He made feedback fashionable/listenable. He broke ground by playing Rock guitar (hence my disticntion) previously unheard of. That is reinventing the instrument, imo. I was going to make the same point about the feedback. Granted he wasn't the first to use it. But compare the accidental feedback 2 years earlier on the Beatles I Feel Fine to the Are You Experienced album and tell me he wasn't doing something different with it. Even Velvet Underground albums, the feedback is microphonic, and annoyingly screechy. Hendrix is the earliest, at least in my musical consciousness, to purposefully manipulate it into something pleasant sounding. Or at least cooler sounding than a high school PA going apesh1t. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gobias Industries Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Hendrix incorporated Blues, Jazz, and R&R and fused it into a psychedelic sound yet to be heard at that point. He made feedback fashionable/listenable. He broke ground by playing Rock guitar (hence my disticntion) previously unheard of. That is reinventing the instrument, imo. In terms of rock, I would most likely give that to you, but I was, and still am, speaking in the general sense of the instrument. Hybridizing multiple genres into one isn't as impressive to me as inventing new ones. He may have very well reinvented rock guitar (though he was obviously helped by a few of the British Invasion, who popularized blues enough to let Jimi into the scene long enough to change it), but I think that his contribution is far from revolutionizing the general playing of the instrument. Which, coincidentally, is what I like to think Nels does Quote Link to post Share on other sites
winter party person Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Nels is very accomplished at the instrument. Hendrix reinvented the intsrument. Whether you like Henrix or not, he can't be overrated since he's the "rated" that everyone else on rock guitar is compared to. Nels is way more than "accomplished". He's innovative and ground-breaking, just not on the same scale as Hendrix. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Yes, very accomplished. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yermom Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 But..but...but...Jimi has his pee-pee forever immortalized in plaster. My thoughts:Foo Fighters =not my cup of tea.Doors =I liked them when I was a young teen.Nels =obviously, he's the bee's knees.Jimi =I can definitely appreciate Jimi, anyone who'd try to discredit him altogether would have to be nuts and let us not forget that for some, "You can listen to Jimi but you can't hear him. There's a difference man. Just because your listening to him doesn't mean you're hearing him." (You know, Jeff was almost "immortalized in plaster" also.) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 ^ That's a nice example of one ridiculous statement followed by another, or three. Pretty much. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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