Best of 2007

[Littlebear]

not to mention that Lucinda album might be her worst to date

 

needless to say I disagree

[solace]

needless to say I disagree

what one would you say is worse?

all i know is, the lyrics to "What If" are some of the worst i've heard in years.

 

World Without Tears was my least fave of hers until this one, but this one makes WWT sound pretty amazing.

 

i'd rank her albums as:

 

Car Wheels (head and shoulders above the rest of her catalog, no question)

Sweet Old World

Self-Titled

Happy Woman Blues

Ramblin'

Essence

World Without Tears

West

[Guest Jules]

5 Big Disappointments of the Year:

 

The National - Boxer

Wilco - Sky Blye Sky

Radiohead

Andrew Bird

Iron & Wine

Really? Interesting.

I think this dude just likes to get people riled up.

[Littlebear]

what one would you say is worse?

all i know is, the lyrics to "What If" are some of the worst i've heard in years.

 

World Without Tears was my least fave of hers until this one, but this one makes WWT sound pretty amazing.

 

i'd rank her albums as:

 

Car Wheels (head and shoulders above the rest of her catalog, no question)

Sweet Old World

Self-Titled

Happy Woman Blues

Ramblin'

Essence

World Without Tears

West

 

My Lu Top can change at times, so it goes like this:

 

1. Lucinda Williams/Car Wheels on a Gravel Road/West/Essence/Sweet Old World

2. Happy Woman Blues/World Without Tears

3. Ramblin'

4. Live at the Fillmore

 

The Fillmore being easily the worst of Lu catalog, and one of the worst live albums ever

 

minus this one, any of her album is certainly less boring than every album by The National...

[solace]

minus this one, any of her album is certainly less boring than every album by The National...

 

ok, now you're just being an asshole for the sake of, congrats!

[Littlebear]

 

ok, now you're just being an asshole for the sake of, congrats!

 

No, I'm absolutely sincere.

 

For the sake of the human kind, I can't understand how you can prefer any National album to West. So there.

[solace]

No, I'm absolutely sincere.

 

For the sake of the human kind, I can't understand how you can prefer any National album to West. So there.

that's fine, but you specifically called out the National when i was just discussing Lucinda and hadn't said anything specifically about them.

 

i'll start a poll just to show you many people on here will prefer it then because i can guarantee it'll be a landslide. not saying that makes one better than the other, but you're acting like i'm insane for preferring The National to Lucindia, especially their 2007 albums. if you've paid attention to this forum at all this year you'd realize that's far from the case.

 

also, how can you be "disappointed" by the latest National album when you obviously dislike them past or present? it's called being consistent...

 

were you truly disappointed by Andrew Bird, Iron & Wine, & Radiohead too? or have you just never liked them ever? trying to understand here (and not being sarcastic or a dick in this instance...). being disappointing albums to me means having some sort of context to go by or being let down from a previous release. i don't think i've ever been disappointed in an album by a band i wasn't familiar with prior or that i disliked prior, maybe that's just me.

[Littlebear]

you're acting like i'm insane for preferring The National to Lucinda

 

You must be joking. You called me an asshole in the first place, just because you're convinced the Boxer is better than West!

 

And yeah, I'm constantly disappointed by the other bands, simply because reading many points of this board I should hope for better things. But that's not the case...

 

And to my big regret : yeah, the Wilco album, that I liked upon the first listens, hasn't grown on me, and I call that a disappointment, too.

 

And third yeah: the POLL, which I'm sure will choose the National by a wide marge, won't proove anything else than the majority of this board's taste. Glad to hear that in advance from you.

[solace]

You must be joking. You called me an asshole in the first place, just because you're convinced the Boxer is better than West!

 

And yeah, I'm constantly disappointed by the other bands, simply because reading many points of this board I should hope for better things. But that's not the case...

 

And to my big regret : yeah, the Wilco album, that I liked upon the first listens, hasn't grown on me, and I call that a disappointment, too.

 

And third yeah: the POLL, which I'm sure will choose the National by a wide marge, won't proove anything else than the majority of this board's taste. Glad to hear that in advance from you.

no, you seemed like you specifically brought up the National for the sake or arguing is all. i wasn't dissing on Lucinda previously at all, just that i was really really disappointed in West. i was being pretty facetious in my "asshole" comment if you couldn't tell.

 

lastly, if you can look me in the eye and call the National's song "Abel" boring, i don't know what to say

anywho, boring or not, Matt is a stellar lyricist imo and I think that's a huge draw for many many people.

[Littlebear]

lastly, if you can look me in the eye and call the National's song "Abel" boring, i don't know what to say

 

"Abel" is actually the only song that didn't bore me...

[solace]

"Abel" is actually the only song that didn't bore me...

Mr. November? Murder Me Rachel? Lit Up?

 

those are every bit as rockin' as Abel (not as Pixies-ish however)

 

i know a lot of people who enjoy those types of songs by the National but don't care much for the rest, i guess i can somewhat understand, but Abel, as much as I love it, isn't an example of Matt's great lyrics really, just a great rockin' song.

 

their moodier/darker midtempo stuff is what gets me going most (Fake Empire, All The Wine, Lucky You, Green Gloves, Secret Meeting, etc.). that and i adore Matt's Leonard Cohen-esque vox.

[Mystik Spiral]

also, how can you be "disappointed" by the latest National album when you obviously dislike them past or present? it's called being consistent...

 

were you truly disappointed by Andrew Bird, Iron & Wine, & Radiohead too? or have you just never liked them ever? trying to understand here (and not being sarcastic or a dick in this instance...). being disappointing albums to me means having some sort of context to go by or being let down from a previous release. i don't think i've ever been disappointed in an album by a band i wasn't familiar with prior or that i disliked prior, maybe that's just me.

 

I gotta agree with Kyle on this... I don't understand how an album can be disappointing if you don't like the band. I couldn't get through In Rainbows more than a handful of times, but the album wasn't a big disappointment to me - I've never liked Radiohead. Just because lots of people on this board like them and I don't doesn't make it a disappointment either. Just different tastes...

[Littlebear]

no, you seemed like you specifically brought up the National for the sake or arguing is all. i wasn't dissing on Lucinda previously at all, just that i was really really disappointed in West.

 

Everyone is free to diss. I understood you were very disappointed in West. I don't know why I shouldn't add that I find any Lucinda Williams album less boring than any The National one. It's my point. And what's wrong with arguing. Arguing = stating opinions, right?

 

You called me an asshole "facetiously", you say. I'd say a bit too "easily", as for me.

[Littlebear]

Mr. November? Murder Me Rachel? Lit Up?

 

those are every bit as rockin' as Abel (not as Pixies-ish however)

 

i know a lot of people who enjoy those types of songs by the National but don't care much for the rest, i guess i can somewhat understand, but Abel, as much as I love it, isn't an example of Matt's great lyrics really, just a great rockin' song.

 

their moodier/darker midtempo stuff is what gets me going most (Fake Empire, All The Wine, Lucky You, Green Gloves, Secret Meeting, etc.). that and i adore Matt's Leonard Cohen-esque vox.

 

I don't care much of the lyrics when the music doesn't grab me. "Abel" recalled more B.R.M.C. than the Pixies to me.

[Mr. Kinsley]

Everyone is free to diss. I understood you were very disappointed in West. I don't know why I shouldn't add that I find any Lucinda Williams album less boring than any The National one. It's my point. And what's wrong with arguing. Arguing = stating opinions, right?

 

You called me an asshole "facetiously", you say. I'd say a bit too "easily", as for me.

 

I found this post disappointing.

[solace]

I don't care much of the lyrics when the music doesn't grab me. "Abel" recalled more B.R.M.C. than the Pixies to me.

Hmm

 

Can't say I hear a shred of BRMC in 'Abel'

 

The 'my mind's not right, my mind's not right' screaming is 100% Frank Black, hell Matt even owned up to it in an interview.

[Littlebear]

I gotta agree with Kyle on this... I don't understand how an album can be disappointing if you don't like the band. I couldn't get through In Rainbows more than a handful of times, but the album wasn't a big disappointment to me - I've never liked Radiohead. Just because lots of people on this board like them and I don't doesn't make it a disappointment either. Just different tastes...

 

You know, I said "disappointments" because I was following the way the lists were made before me

 

I could have said simply "the worst" - it doesn't matter...

 

and to boot, the idea of a "constant disappointment" makes sense as well... (though I won't stand by this argument for the rest of my life, you know...)

[Littlebear]

Hmm

 

Can't say I hear a shred of BRMC in 'Abel'

 

The 'my mind's not right, my mind's not right' screaming is 100% Frank Black, hell Matt even owned up to it in an interview.

 

The sound isn't close to the Pixies to me - maybe from some Frank Black albums, but not the Pixies.

 

The Pixies were one of the best bands ever (especially with the first two albums). They were the opposite of many New Wave bands from the 80's (Jesus & Mary Chain excepted): creative, exciting, never boring (unlike Frank Black today).

[Mystik Spiral]

You know, I said "disappointments" because I was following the way the lists were made before me

I could have said simply "the worst" - it doesn't matter...

 

It does matter, though. I'm fairly certain that on the lists posted before you, "biggest disappointments" were albums that the poster expected a lot from, and the album didn't deliver.

 

For example, my two biggest disappointments for this year were Wilco (I actually agree with you on that one) and Rilo Kiley. Not because the albums were terrible, but because they weren't up to par with what I've come to expect from two of my favorite bands.

 

I'll use Radiohead again as an example. I didn't like the album, but it wasn't a disappointment because I've never cared much for any of their albums.

 

disappoint

-verb

1. to fail to fill the expectations or wishes of

[Littlebear]

Thanks for the lesson...

 

I'm afraid you weren't even facetious on that one!

 

[Mystik Spiral]

I'm afraid you weren't even facetious on that one!

 

Well, maybe just a little bit... Though I am a stickler for semantics, and I can get argumentative from time to time...

[Doug]

Robert Pollard's 2007 stuff hasn't been getting any love from y'all. Is there any love for...

 

Bob Pollard- Coast to Coast Carpet of Love

Bob Pollard- Standard Gargoyle Decisions

Takeovers- Bad Football

Circus Devils- Sgt. Disco

various artists- Crickets

Guided by Voices- Live at Austin City Limits

Bob Pollard- Silverfish Trivia EP

Acid Ranch- The Great Houdini Wasn't So Great

Bob Pollard- Meet the King (Asshole pt. 2)

 

What do y'all think of the stuff he released this year???

 

2008 should be another great year for Uncle Bob: solo mini-CD in January, another Psycho and the Birds full-length in February, yet another Circus Devils album at some point, and MAYBE/HOPEFULLY a Happy Jack Records b-sides compilation.

[brianjeremy]

Robert Pollard's 2007 stuff hasn't been getting any love from y'all. Is there any love for...

 

Bob Pollard- Coast to Coast Carpet of Love

Bob Pollard- Standard Gargoyle Decisions

Takeovers- Bad Football

Circus Devils- Sgt. Disco

various artists- Crickets

Guided by Voices- Live at Austin City Limits

Bob Pollard- Silverfish Trivia EP

Acid Ranch- The Great Houdini Wasn't So Great

Bob Pollard- Meet the King (Asshole pt. 2)

 

What do y'all think of the stuff he released this year???

 

2008 should be another great year for Uncle Bob: solo mini-CD in January, another Psycho and the Birds full-length in February, yet another Circus Devils album at some point, and MAYBE/HOPEFULLY a Happy Jack Records b-sides compilation.

 

It's all crap nowadays! Same crappy guitar and dialed-in lyrics. Blah!

 

I am sorry, but Uncle Bob has lost it. As the years go by, I get less and less into his work. I used to be a big Bob fan but now it's getting old. I know I am not the only one who says it, but the man needs an editor. Too much of the same 'ol stuff. The last good album he put out was the Keene Brothers record. I am just really disappointed with his recent output. I just get tired of 10+ albums a year with only an albums worth of good material on it. It's too much!

 

My top 5:

Arcade Fire

[Doug]

It's all crap nowadays! Same crappy guitar and dialed-in lyrics. Blah!

 

I am sorry, but Uncle Bob has lost it. As the years go by, I get less and less into his work. I used to be a big Bob fan but now it's getting old. I know I am not the only one who says it, but the man needs an editor. Too much of the same 'ol stuff. The last good album he put out was the Keene Brothers record. I am just really disappointed with his recent output. I just get tired of 10+ albums a year with only an albums worth of good material on it. It's too much!

I hear ya! I'm not quite ready to agree that Uncle Bob has lost it, but my level of fandom has dropped a notch in the last few years. I still slavelishly buy everything he releases on CD (I no longer have an LP player that actually works, so I don't buy the vinyl-only stuff), but that's just out of habit. I've been a fan since 1993, and it's hard to stop buying his stuff. I hope he stops collaborating solely with Todd Tobias and starts recording with a real band again, but I'm not holding my breath. I'm getting the feeling that he's putting more time and effort into his artwork than his songwriting/recording. At this point I think I respect Bob more than I actually like him, ya know what I mean? That being said, Bad Football and Coast to Coast Carpet to Love kicked my ass. They'd definitely make it onto my Top 20 of 2007.

[HighFives]

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