bjorn_skurj Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 God is a bad guy.God is fine. It's that Allah guy who needs a talking-to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 What is an individual, a person of true Muslim faith to do if the Koran is essentially telling them it is acceptable to bring harm to non-believers, or those who Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ZenLunatic Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 God is a bad guy. Dont talk about me like that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Yeah, but Muslims still scare the shit out of me. I'm sorry, but that's the way I honestly feel. When Muslims around the world rise up and root out their own loonies, I will feel much better about them. When the vast majority of Muslims accept the principle of the separation of church and state, I will feel much more secure. Until then, it's knives out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Yeah, but Muslims still scare the shit out of me. I'm sorry, but that's the way I honestly feel. When Muslims around the world rise up and root out their own loonies, I will feel much better about them. When the vast majority of Muslims accept the principle of the separation of church and state, I will feel much more secure. Until then, it's knives out. so, all muslims scare you? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ction Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 This thread is making me want to visit the Build a Bear Workshop and make a cute and cuddly EMT bear. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ZenLunatic Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 I am Muslim. I am Christian, I am Jewish, I am Hindu, I am Buddhist, I am Taoist. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 so, all muslims scare you?Nah. The S1W's are OK. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 I am Muslim. I am Christian, I am Jewish, I am Hindu, I am Buddhist, I am Taoist.I hate that song. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Nah. The S1W's are OK. hear the drummer get wicked? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ZenLunatic Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 I hate that song. i didnt know it was a song. cool. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Answer: The same exact thing a person of true Muslim faith does when the Qura'n is essentially telling them that it unaaceptable to treat another person in a way you would not treat yourself...you make a choice, as an indivudual, as to what the best course of action is. The Qura'n contains many passages which teach Muslims to treat non-Muslims with dignity but, (as you illustrated earlier) it also has content that instructs Muslims to kill non-Muslims wherever they are found. You keep focusing on the negative passages/religious beliefs to substantiate you opposition to it and negating the Golden Rule/Ethic of Reciprocity i mentioned before: as i just showed you, the contradictions that are abound in most, if not all, faiths forces one to make certain choices of their own accord...to be an individual. you have an extremely negative outlook on religion, thusly you make an extremely broad generalization that paints a picture that all religions/faiths/etc. strip away individuality versus help to chart a course that allows them to be a better individual amongst other individuals. plus, as what i guess a much larger % of people under any faith will tell you...you are constantly questioning your faith and every day is a test. much like any person, subscribing to ANY belief...you cannot judge someone on the actions of extremists. If the Koran states that it is indeed ok to punish or even kill a non-believer, is it not the responsibility of the individual to do as God or Allah declares? Who is an individual to question and/or disobey the word of God if one truly believes in him or her or it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 i didnt know it was a song. cool.Meredith Brooks - I'm a bitch, I'm a Shinto, I'm a Tao, I'm a Hindu...etc. It was popular back in the mid-90s. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Motorik Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 What makes an extremist, is it because some are simply more willing to obey the less popular refrains from the Koran - if it is all the word of God, do we have to accept the good with the bad? Don't let the God Squad keep you down brother man. As the man said, opiate for the masses and all that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ZenLunatic Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Meredith Brooks - I'm a bitch, I'm a Shinto, I'm a Tao, I'm a Hindu...etc. It was popular back in the mid-90s. I know that song, I hate that song too. yuck. I wasnt at all trying to copy that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Those aren't really the words to that song. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ZenLunatic Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 If the Koran states that it is indeed ok to punish or even kill a non-believer, is it not the responsibility of the individual to do as God or Allah declares? Who is an individual to question and/or disobey the word of God if one truly believes in him or her or it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 I think its all about interpretations of the words. All religions start from a pure place, then bad interpretations take it to bad areas. I think everyone can agree that murder is bad. People have to realize all the monotheist religions are praying to the same God. Christianity, Judism, and Muslim all pray to the same God. Why leave such an important matter, existence, open to interpretation? Hell, as a parent, I don Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 People often mellow out when they have kids. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ZenLunatic Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Why leave such an important matter, existence, open to interpretation? Hell, as a parent, I don Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 I don Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 The contradictions in the bible and the Koran only serve to illustrate just how schizophrenic the entire enterprise is Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ZenLunatic Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Love is God. God is Love. If you are Love, you are God. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 What makes an extremist, is it because some are simply more willing to obey the less popular refrains from the Koran - if it is all the word of God, do we have to accept the good with the bad?Jonathan Edwards says: "The God that holds you over the pit of hell, much as one holds a spider, or some loathsome insect over the fire, abhors you, and is dreadfully provoked: his wrath towards you burns like fire; he looks upon you as worthy of nothing else, but to be cast into the fire; he is of purer eyes than to bear to have you in his sight; you are ten thousand times more abominable in his eyes, than the most hateful venomous serpent is in ours." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 they had it all figured out in the 1700's, didn't they. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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