Atticus Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Is you avatar a butt plug? don't change the subject, you blindly allegiant leftist/rightist Link to post Share on other sites
ShuckOwens Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 and I guess thats President Clinton's fault right??A lot of aspirin factory workers might wish he had his priorities a bit more in line at the time. NOT ONE WORD about terrorism was uttered by and Republicna before 9/11 and dont even try and say it was.By "and", I assume you mean any. Here's just a couple from the greatest president of my lifetime: "Above all, we must realize that no arsenal or no weapon in the arsenals of the world is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have. It is a weapon that we as Americans do have. Let that be understood by those who practice terrorism and prey upon their neighbors." -Ronald W. Reagan "For too long, the world was paralyzed by the argument that terrorism could not be stopped until the grievances of terrorists were addressed. The complicated and heartrending issues that perplex mankind are no excuse for violent, inhumane attacks, nor do they excuse not taking aggressive action against those who deliberately slaughter innocent people. Effective antiterrorist action has also been thwarted by the claim that... Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 By "and", I assume you mean any. Here's just a couple from the greatest president of my lifetime: "Above all, we must realize that no arsenal or no weapon in the arsenals of the world is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have. It is a weapon that we as Americans do have. Let that be understood by those who practice terrorism and prey upon their neighbors." -Ronald W. Reagan "For too long, the world was paralyzed by the argument that terrorism could not be stopped until the grievances of terrorists were addressed. The complicated and heartrending issues that perplex mankind are no excuse for violent, inhumane attacks, nor do they excuse not taking aggressive action against those who deliberately slaughter innocent people. Effective antiterrorist action has also been thwarted by the claim that... Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 I think it's safe to say that neither party really had a sense of urgency about al-Qaida until 9/11. Clinton should have, obviously, and so should have the current Bush. Link to post Share on other sites
ShuckOwens Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 yes, but he was not a RepublicnaMy bad. Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Man, you have to check in often with this thread. Otherwise your ass will get left behind. I love chocolate chip.......with cold cold milk! Mmmmmmmm Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 An e-mail I just wrote to my best friend. I don't think McCain is a bad guy. One can envision him getting Giuliani into a headlock and saying, "Let me teach you something I learned at the Hanoi Hilton - it's called noogieboarding." I still remain firmly in Obamaland, though. Sure, I love Hillary, her steely leftist version of "Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS" Bismarckian flintiness which makes my inner Puritan swoon and her still, presumably, big plush ass (though that seems harder to see on TV anymore than FDR in a wheelchair back in the day), but I, like many Americans, want to see something new. Even if that something new turns out to be our generation's answer to Jimmy Carter - a guy who had his heart in the right place but was too high-minded to work with Congress to actually accomplish much. Do we even still have a U.S. Congress? Oy. Politics, and the subprime mortgage scandal, where presumably intelligent businesspeople lent money to people like me and were shocked, SHOCKED when a lot of them didn't pay it back, makes me wonder if maybe we have fucking lost it as a country. Maybe we just got too damned dumb and degenerated. I figured it would happen someday - it always does - but I guess I'm surprised that it happened in my lifetime. Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Boy, that is a very optimistic email. Excuse me while I slit my wrist. Link to post Share on other sites
Reni Posted January 10, 2008 Author Share Posted January 10, 2008 that makes me so f'in sick...... the rampant misogyny that has surfaced over Hillary is nauseating. Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 I'm still waiting to hear more about Atticus' cookie. Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Is the whole, "driver Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 I would allow the licenses-for-illegal-immigrants proposal to be attached to the free-money-for-copy-editors bill. Link to post Share on other sites
ShuckOwens Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 that makes me so f'in sick...... the rampant misogyny that has surfaced over Hillary is nauseating.Wow. 8 years of enlightened & creative horsesh!t like:...and the bee in your bonnet is over a good ol' boy expressing his view that Hillary is a "c[o]unt"? A skin too few? Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 That Son Volt album was really that bad? Link to post Share on other sites
Edie Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 I think we can all agree that the C word is to be used in the most dire circumstances. A stupid t-shirt isn't that. Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 An e-mail I just wrote to my best friend. I don't think McCain is a bad guy. One can envision him getting Giuliani into a headlock and saying, "Let me teach you something I learned at the Hanoi Hilton - it's called noogieboarding." I still remain firmly in Obamaland, though. Sure, I love Hillary, her steely leftist version of "Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS" Bismarckian flintiness which makes my inner Puritan swoon and her still, presumably, big plush ass (though that seems harder to see on TV anymore than FDR in a wheelchair back in the day), but I, like many Americans, want to see something new. Even if that something new turns out to be our generation's answer to Jimmy Carter - a guy who had his heart in the right place but was too high-minded to work with Congress to actually accomplish much. Do we even still have a U.S. Congress? Oy. Politics, and the subprime mortgage scandal, where presumably intelligent businesspeople lent money to people like me and were shocked, SHOCKED when a lot of them didn't pay it back, makes me wonder if maybe we have fucking lost it as a country. Maybe we just got too damned dumb and degenerated. I figured it would happen someday - it always does - but I guess I'm surprised that it happened in my lifetime.Sweet blog Bjorn. but are you really that surprised? We've been "dumbing down" for at least 20 years imo Also from the "hypocrisy dept." : I saw where Huckabee deleted all references to abortion in his stump speeches in NH ( not a lot of bible thumpers up there apparently) only to bring them back full-force today in SC. To wit: "There is nothing more important to me than the defense of the unborn" etc etc. Now, if that is his biggest concern then why would he not be speaking out on this every time he takes the podium? Afraid of alienating voters he might need? Link to post Share on other sites
ikol Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 You're not suggesting that a politician might change his rhetoric to get elected, are you? Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 You're not suggesting that a politician might change his rhetoric to get elected, are you?But but but...Huckabee is supposed to a real person! With convictions! Link to post Share on other sites
ikol Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Has has convictions. They're just subject to change. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Wow. 8 years of enlightened & creative horsesh!t like:...and the bee in your bonnet is over a good ol' boy expressing his view that Hillary is a "c[o]unt"? A skin too few? The Hitler analogies are overstating it a bit, but, I often wonder what sort of leaders Bush and Cheney would have become if they took the helm of a less democratic country, one in which the executive branch Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 A lot of aspirin factory workers might wish he had his priorities a bit more in line at the time. By "and", I assume you mean any. Here's just a couple from the greatest president of my lifetime: "Above all, we must realize that no arsenal or no weapon in the arsenals of the world is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have. It is a weapon that we as Americans do have. Let that be understood by those who practice terrorism and prey upon their neighbors." -Ronald W. Reagan "For too long, the world was paralyzed by the argument that terrorism could not be stopped until the grievances of terrorists were addressed. The complicated and heartrending issues that perplex mankind are no excuse for violent, inhumane attacks, nor do they excuse not taking aggressive action against those who deliberately slaughter innocent people. Effective antiterrorist action has also been thwarted by the claim that... Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Militant Islam certainly won't paint the 90's as a bleak and desolate era. Quotes like this just piss me off and are simply one more straw on the pissed off electorates back. It shows a willing ignorance of the nature of "militant Islam" as if there is such a monolithic force. The current crop of "leaders" and their followers paint a one dimensional picture that consists of: Muslim bad, they hate us and our freedom, they all want to end our way of life and convert us to Islam at the point of a sword or chop our heads off etc... As if one poorly painted picture will illuminate the nature of these MANY different groups with MANY VARIED agendas. Al Queda originally wanted thhe US out of the Kingdom and out of mid east politics, their ultimate goal to end the monarchy in the kingdom. There were no active terrorists in Iraq prior to March 2003 except for those fighting Sadaam and the Kurds because of their secularism. Know in Iraq the Sunni's Shiites Kurds and what we call AQI all have different agendas. The PLO has very different goals from Al Queda. Hamas has different goals from the PLO. etc etc etc these are not monolithic they are as varied as you can get, but since we give them a convenient common enemy we paint them all the same. IN a political war if you do not understand your enemy, you can never win... This quote ignores the history of "militant Islam" as if it just appeared in January 1992. When the IRA was running rampant did we call their actions militant Catholicism? Nope because it is one of our religions, so people recognized that it is a political struggle even though it was as divided along religious lines as the Shiite/Sunni battles are in Iraq. But what pisses me off most about this quote is that it ignores the fact that every thing is worse today than it ever has and as long as we continue on this course it will only cause us to sink deeper. Sorry for yet another rant from a pissed off voter who is tired of slogans with out meaning and context. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 An e-mail I just wrote to my best friend. I don't think McCain is a bad guy. One can envision him getting Giuliani into a headlock and saying, "Let me teach you something I learned at the Hanoi Hilton - it's called noogieboarding." I still remain firmly in Obamaland, though. Sure, I love Hillary, her steely leftist version of "Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS" Bismarckian flintiness which makes my inner Puritan swoon and her still, presumably, big plush ass (though that seems harder to see on TV anymore than FDR in a wheelchair back in the day), but I, like many Americans, want to see something new. Even if that something new turns out to be our generation's answer to Jimmy Carter - a guy who had his heart in the right place but was too high-minded to work with Congress to actually accomplish much. Do we even still have a U.S. Congress? Oy. Politics, and the subprime mortgage scandal, where presumably intelligent businesspeople lent money to people like me and were shocked, SHOCKED when a lot of them didn't pay it back, makes me wonder if maybe we have fucking lost it as a country. Maybe we just got too damned dumb and degenerated. I figured it would happen someday - it always does - but I guess I'm surprised that it happened in my lifetime. If our next president is to be a republican, well, we could certainly do a lot worse than John McCain. As mentioned by Reni and others, he has compromised himself a bit as of late, and for that I am greatly disappointed, however, as a person, he has proven himself as a pretty upstanding guy in world in which that sort of character is often hard to come by. Great post Bjorn. What follows is an excerpt from an essay written by David Foster Wallace (I know, again with the Wallace you say) entitled Up, Simba. It appeared in Rolling Stone as part of their coverage of the 2000 elections. Wallace was contracted to follow McCain on the campaign trail and report back well and truly. He, Wallace, is not (was not) a McCain supporter, but, as a result of following him around for several weeks, became a fan of him as a person. The entire piece is highly recommended, and a great travelogue of sorts, with keen insights into what life on the unending campaign trail is truly like. The entire piece is available in his book of essays, Consider the Lobster. Enjoy, or don Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Heartbreak Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Breaking news: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01...-endorse-obama/ Kiss of death? Maybe ... Boy, a picture really is worth a thousand words. Check out Obama's face. Hello, President McCain. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Not a kiss of death. It's just an endorsement. Link to post Share on other sites
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