LouieB Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 I'm worried about all of them.That YouTube thing is funnier than shit...no one is really about change.... I'm not worried. I am only worried that this thing won't go to the convention where at this point it should. I figure at some point Hillary and Barak are going to have to get in a room and flip for who is going to be President and who is going to be VP. That's the only thing that makes sense; for both of them to be on the ticket and go with it. If Obama is VP he could easily be President in four or eight years, but not if both of them tear the shit out of each other now. Meanwhile the Republicans got nothing goin anyway. LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 In a nutshell, you captured my concerns...that and he may have a lot of Chicago politics baggage floating around.May??? Those of us here in Chicago know all about the Rezko connection. Sadly Hil dragged it out last time out, but someone was going to sometime anyway. Actually she didn't even use the good stuff, she just said something stupid. LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 Hey, its the guy that hillary called a slum lord in the SC debate!Yea...this guy has his fingers all over every politician in Illinois. He may end up in prison... LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dreamin' Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 I figure at some point Hillary and Barak are going to have to get in a room and flip for who is going to be President and who is going to be VP. That's the only thing that makes sense; for both of them to be on the ticket and go with it.Would the winner really pick a running mate that could overshadow him/her? Seems unlikely. Our good friends at Glorious Noise have this to say about Obama. Not that my opinion counts, but for me, vision always trumps experience. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Kinsley Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 Would the winner really pick a running mate that could overshadow him/her? Seems unlikely. ... Not that my opinion counts, but for me, vision always trumps experience.Hillary would never "settle" for living in Blair House and Barack as her VP would seem totally disingenuous (sp?) after all the mudslinging between them. As for experience, we are a rather fickle lot, us Americans. We want someone who can bring about change in Washington and despise everything about the place and we want 3 week term limits and blah blah blah, but if you haven't been there long enough you aren't experienced enough. So which is it? I think he's been there long enough to know the lay of the land, but not too long that he's 'one of them.' Adn yes, your opinion counts... if you vote. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
willywoody Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 Adn yes, your opinion counts... if you vote. i've already voted here in SC by absentee. a long time republican i voted for Obama as he is a born leader. if he does all he says he could cost me millions (mainly in inheritance taxes, but i make a fair sum myself). but money ain't shit without a decent country to live in. we need someone to try and bring us all together, be fiscally responsible and not act like a jackass at every turn. he may not have the most experience but he is probably the wisest of anyone running and i trust he'll put good people in the responsible posts to guide our country instead of some benefactor's third cousin like we have now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
willywoody Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 i've already voted here in SC by absentee. a long time republican i voted for Obama as he is a born leader. if he does all he says he could cost me millions (mainly in inheritance taxes, but i make a fair sum myself). but money ain't shit without a decent country to live in. we need someone to try and bring us all together, be fiscally responsible and not act like a jackass at every turn. he may not have the most experience but he is probably the wisest of anyone running and i trust he'll put good people in the responsible posts to guide our country instead of some benefactor's third cousin like we have now. are you gonna vote for this? http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080126/pl_nm/...on_dispute_dc_3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OOO Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 Gobama! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Kinsley Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 That was just a good old fashioned pants down spanking! Holy crap, I didn't see that one coming by that big of a margin. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tugmoose Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 Bill sez: It's no big deal - South Carolina always votes for black guys. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Kinsley Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Sheesh! Did you read any of the comments after that story? This guy was responding to someone else's post: bobbie: Wow!? You mean those 3 black S O Bs who knocked my mother down and dragged her 15 feet trying to steal her purse (she didnt let go and they got nothin) weren't black after all? Wow. I guess I can vote for Obama. Those guys must've been Puerto Ricans. We are really still there as a country? I'm sorry your mom had a bad situation, but do you really think Obama's gonna steal your mom's purse? I would really like to think that the prescence of a black man in the Oval Office would have a positive effect on young black males. I can't imagine it not providing at least some small boost in confidence that there really is more opportunity out there than was previously imagined. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JerseyMike Posted January 28, 2008 Author Share Posted January 28, 2008 We are really still there as a country? I'm sorry your mom had a bad situation, but do you really think Obama's gonna steal your mom's purse? I would really like to think that the prescence of a black man in the Oval Office would have a positive effect on young black males. I can't imagine it not providing at least some small boost in confidence that there really is more opportunity out there than was previously imagined. 1) One person does not a country make.2) you should read he article that Beltman posted on thre first page of this thread. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Hillary would never "settle" for living in Blair House and Barack as her VP would seem totally disingenuous (sp?) after all the mudslinging between them. As for experience, we are a rather fickle lot, us Americans. We want someone who can bring about change in Washington and despise everything about the place and we want 3 week term limits and blah blah blah, but if you haven't been there long enough you aren't experienced enough. So which is it? I think he's been there long enough to know the lay of the land, but not too long that he's 'one of them.' Adn yes, your opinion counts... if you vote. The VP doesnt live in Blair House FYI Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Kinsley Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 I've been under the rather mistaken assumption that that was the Veep's house since I was about 10. I remembered hearing about Truman living in Blair House while the White House was being renovated, and made the connection that he must be living at the VP's house. I'm glad you called me out on that, because I did a quick Wikipedia search (THIS is the type of thing it's perfect for) and found that the real address is Number One Observatory Circle.Way too nice a place for the likes of Cheney. Now when I'm making the "Hillary will never settle..." argument, I can use the correct address! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmacomber68w Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 I completely support a person's right to not vote because having the choice not to cast a vote is an equally important component of living in a democracy. However, If you choose not to vote then I think you forfeit the right to complain (or even comment) about the results of the election. i just JUST finished this conversation with my friend, he does not vote because he does not believe in the 2 party system, so i told him that even though I think that he should vote, I respect his right not to, anyways....im more anit clinton than anything else, together we can re-defeat communism Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beltmann Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 My point is, once again, that as Americans we have the right to organize and make a statement.I don't get the "let's not vote" movement. I understand the idea of making a statement, but how will that message actually be received? Since it won Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JerseyMike Posted January 30, 2008 Author Share Posted January 30, 2008 It seems to me that making a statement by not voting could, I believe,be the the laziest statement in the history of mankind. Don't like the two party system? Get up off your ass and start organizing a new party. It seems to me from reading this thread that there are plenty of people that would be interested. Don't like the fact that elections are driven by money? Get out and educate people about election reform and come up with a new and better system. If we can all get together and talk about Wilco, I'm sure you can find even more people that feel the same way about politics. If anything, this thread has opened my eyes to how many people feel disenchanted, disenfranchised and disconnected from our government, whether they be Libertarian, liberal or conservative. When i started this thread, i was hoping to see some inspiring posts about how people felt about Obama, and instead I just realized how many people are like myself: cynical and dissapointed. But we cannot lose hope just yet. We need to get involved and make things happen.I'm not much of writer, so I'm gonna leave off with a quote I heard recently: "People can change anything they want to, and that means everything in the world. People are running about following their little tracks; I am one of them. But we've all got to stop just following our own little mouse trail. People can do anything. This is something I am begining to learn. People are out there doing bad things to each other. Thats because they are being dehumanized. Its time to take the humanity back into the center of the ring and follow that for a time. Greed: it ain't going anywhere. They should have that on a billboard in the middle of Times Square. Without people, your nothing." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Man, HRC gave Barack a spankin' tonight. Right after the Kennedys endorsed him. She had the endorsement of Bill Nelson ( a very fine gent imo) but I hardly think that would carry as much weight as Teddy. Feb. 5 is gonna be craaaazy! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reni Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 well, it doesn't really count though, does it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 well, it doesn't really count though, does it?A record turnout doesn't count? Those delegates will be seated come Convention time - by hook or by crook. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reni Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 you think they will go back on their refusal to seat Florida and Michigan? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 It's entirely possible ( maybe not probable). I started a thread about this (with little success, I might add) when Nelson and Alcee Hastings filed a lawsuit against the DNC awhile back. The Dems need some party unity before the general imo. The last thing they need is controversy at their convention. This thing ain't in the bag, that's for sure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 They'll be seated if the winner is a foregone conclusion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beltmann Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Man, HRC gave Barack a spankin' tonight.It counts for something, I suppose, but I doubt it's a trustworthy reflection of what might have happened had the candidates truly campaigned in Florida. I don't think it means very much. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OOO Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 hillary vs. mccain will be likely be a mccain win, so the polls say. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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