watch me fall Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Hey El Ron, you wanna be my date for the Charleston show? I already have tix and everything. I'm sure our respective significant others won't mind. Link to post Share on other sites
Doug C Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 I honestly can't tell which side of the argument you're taking here. It sounds like you are describing the posters who said they have based their entire existence around seeing this one show. Disappointment is one thing, but all the projected vitriol and extrapolation is just patently absurd.My principles always defeat my will... I have said nothing about my life being over. Talk about extrapolation. Do you know the meaning of vitriol? If you do, then there is another example of extrapolation. Link to post Share on other sites
Doug C Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 I'm not going to mention any names but I think that there are some folks that are a bit obsessed with making their point in this thread. Honestly, let's let this go. Think of the time wasted not changing anyone's mind. Â Disappointing - YesSelfish, sell-out, the bands reputation is ruined forever in the fan's minds - Noellsworth is the name you are looking for. My principles always outweigh my will... Please read my posts before responding. I have never said a word about Wilco being sell-outs, selfish or their reputation being ruined. And think of time wasted responding to me. Obviously, I see my time spent here as not wasted. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Good move if they are interested in the business side of music, which I always heard Jeff didn't give two shits about.link? this is pretty funny. Link to post Share on other sites
Doug C Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 here's the thing, unless you actually had tickets to charleston show...of course these is going to be not a lack, but a DIFFERENT perspective. Â as i don't care that much about the rescheduling of a show i'm not attending NOR an appearance on SNL i'll forget about and watch on youtube the next day, i'll just be pragmatic and/or objective about the whole thing and look at from the band's perspective. the practicality from a business perspective of appearing on SNL over one regional show is blatantly obvious...100X more exposure which translates to additional album and ticket sales.Again, my principles... If I did not have tickets, I would feel the same way. My perspective would not waver. I would still support the principle the logistics of rescheduling are bad. Others without tickets agree. Â As far as the band's perspective, Cliff Hubbard, my point is that their perspective could easily be one that leads them to a 'no' decision on SNL due to the logistics. Â Say, that's pretty logical, if I do say so myself. Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Hey El Ron, you wanna be my date for the Charleston show? I already have tix and everything. I'm sure our respective significant others won't mind. do you put out? As far as the band's perspective, Cliff Hubbard, my point is that their perspective could easily be one that leads them to a 'no' decision on SNL due to the logistics. obviously not, they rescheduled the show. Link to post Share on other sites
myboyblue Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Ellsworth , You are truly an inspiration. Your unwavering principles are simply unparalled. We are all lemmings worshipping at the Wilco alter.  All of the extremely valid points that everyone seemed to make disputing your arguments are simply "smoke and mirrors". You have changed my mind, and my thinking, permanently. I may forgive Wilco for this transgression, but I will never forget. Stay obsessed buddy! Your Pal,mbb Link to post Share on other sites
ShuckOwens Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 ellsworth is the name you are looking for. My principles always outweigh my will... Please read my posts before responding. I have never said a word about Wilco being sell-outs, selfish or their reputation being ruined. And think of time wasted responding to me. Obviously, I see my time spent here as not wasted.The extent of my personal involvement towards any artist, in regard to his or her physical/ emotional well-being, is selfishly in the vein of: "if fortune comfortably smiles upon this person, he or she will be able to continue providing me with the art that enriches my life in some way." This only goes so far. My hat is off to ellsworth for keeping his cool regarding this cancellation. I'd have been RIP SH!T. The "you should be happy for the band, and shut up about your wasted time and money" argument is garbage. Ellsworth to his credit, is able to voice his displeasure logically... but the logic is entirely wasted on fans who believe they have such a stake in a band acheiving super stardom, that pulling the plug on a show with short notice becomes completely acceptable, even desireable. There are a fair share of these fans on VC. To see a live Wilco show (nowadays) would require some hefty schedule juggling, and considerable travel expense for me, which is why I would be peeved, to say the least. Link to post Share on other sites
watch me fall Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 do you put out? PM on the way! Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Somehow, I get the feeling this sort of response would follow even if they were asked and then went on to accept a gig to play the Republican National Convention. I wouldn't really have a problem with it, assuming they supported the republican candidate. But seeing as how they seem to be on the Obama teet, I don't see it happening. Bad example. Link to post Share on other sites
M. (hristine Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 My principles always defeat my will... I have said nothing about my life being over. Talk about extrapolation. Do you know the meaning of vitriol? If you do, then there is another example of extrapolation. My whole life has been revolving around that damn show. this show has kept me going through the winter.Hell maybe sue SNL for screwing up my life for the week.My life has been revolving around this concert since December.... I wasn't talking about you or your will or your principals. I was talking about your argument.  And yes I do know what virtiol means. Are you going to make me go though all the posts and find the bitterness too? Link to post Share on other sites
Doug C Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 myboyblue , You are truly an inspiration. Your obsessive responses about my being obsessed spur me to new heights of obsessiveness.  Stay obsessed buddy! Your Pal,ell Link to post Share on other sites
Doug C Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 M. Christine, if you know what vitriol means then why accuse me of it? Odd. Also, why quote non-ellsworths in a post directed at me? Strange. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Ellsworth , You are truly an inspiration. Your unwavering principles are simply unparalled. We are all lemmings worshipping at the Wilco alter.  All of the extremely valid points that everyone seemed to make disputing your arguments are simply "smoke and mirrors". You have changed my mind, and my thinking, permanently. I may forgive Wilco for this transgression, but I will never forget. Stay obsessed buddy! Your Pal,mbb Jesus fucking Christ Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 The "you should be happy for the band, and shut up about your wasted time and money" argument is garbage.Why? Because you say so? Ellsworth to his credit, is able to voice his displeasure logically... but the logic is entirely wasted on fans who believe they have such a stake in a band acheiving super stardom, that pulling the plug on a show with short notice becomes completely acceptable, even desireable. There are a fair share of these fans on VC.Why did I just know that this post would eventually include some slagging on VC? This line of argument completely ignores most of the points being made here in favor of Wilco's decision, to wit: that playing SNL is, despite the show's somewhat lessened stature these days, still quite an honor, and something that most American musicians dream about being asked to do. It's not about attaining superstardom, but about fulfilling a dream. In fact, many of the fans you accuse of having a stake in Wilco achieving superstardom actually fear that they'll become superstars, because then it will be harder to get tickets than it already is. So your argument doesn't really make a lot of sense. To see a live Wilco show (nowadays) would require some hefty schedule juggling, and considerable travel expense for meThat's not Wilco's fault. You pays your money, you takes your chances. Link to post Share on other sites
M. (hristine Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 M. Christine, if you know what vitriol means then why accuse me of it? Odd. Also, why quote non-ellsworths in a post directed at me? Strange.One more time just for you sweetie. I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about your argument. Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 M. Christine, if you know what vitriol means then why accuse me of it? Odd. Also, why quote non-ellsworths in a post directed at me? Strange. Link to post Share on other sites
Doug C Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 One more time just for you sweetie. I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about your argument. Okay, 'sweetie', how is my argument 'vitriolic'? Link to post Share on other sites
myboyblue Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Jesus fucking Christ Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 And, believe it or not, not everyone Link to post Share on other sites
Doug C Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 QUOTE (ellsworth @ Feb 27 2008, 12:06 PM) As far as the band's perspective, Cliff Hubbard, my point is that their perspective could easily be one that leads them to a 'no' decision on SNL due   obviously not, they rescheduled the show.Um, I said that their perspective could easily have been different. I certainly hope so. If not, then that means that they didn't even consider the consequences of rescheduling. I am glad that my view of Wilco's respect for the fan's is more positive than your's. Some of you all don't seem to be to good at debate... just like I'm not too skilled at quoting... Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 ellsworth 35watch me fall 27Treehug'n Dirt Worshipper 25JUDE Link to post Share on other sites
Doug C Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 myboy, you are raising your percentage! Link to post Share on other sites
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