Spawn's dad Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 If you're not (not you) willing to at least try to refute or debate some of his points and the questions he poses, and instead, call him an arrogant asshole, it would appear, to me, that you lose by default. Further, if you're not willing to engage him in honest debate, why bother posting at all? Every time I post something on the experiential and thus unprovable nature of thereligious experience you ignore the posts. Talk about a lack of honesty. Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Athiests don't like to admit that non belief in a deity also requires the leap of faith that a believer requires to take the opposite side of the argument. Since a deity's existence or non-existence is non-provable, a definite statement for either side requires a leap of faith. Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 And seriously,why would you for a moment tolerate Christmas in your home? Not only is it a religious holiday but it reinforces the very societal excesses you rail about. So thedespite the fact that you skepticism remained intact embracing now would seem to indicate that it would have some other sort of benefit for a child. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 The spiritual impetus is not a "thing" to be proven. You want me to prove it exists? Why don't you prove it doesn't? The problem I have here is that your lack of experiential apprehension of the spiritual doesn't have to negate my experience. Why is doing that so important to you? I disagree, based on advances in the world of neuroscience, I think it is entirely possible that at some point in the future, we will crack the code of spirituality Link to post Share on other sites
myboyblue Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 And seriously,why would you for a moment tolerate Christmas in your home? Not only is it a religious holiday but it reinforces the very societal excesses you rail about. So thedespite the fact that you skepticism remained intact embracing now would seem to indicate that it would have some other sort of benefit for a child. Plus, SANTA CLAUS IS ALL LIESQ!! Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Gary, I'm not ignoring your question, I simply do not find it to be particularly valid. I'd say you lost by default. Plus, SANTA CLAUS IS ALL LIESQ!! I hate the iPhone. Link to post Share on other sites
M. (hristine Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 proves nothingWhich is exactly what I am trying to prove. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 And seriously,why would you for a moment tolerate Christmas in your home? Not only is it a religious holiday but it reinforces the very societal excesses you rail about. So thedespite the fact that you skepticism remained intact embracing now would seem to indicate that it would have some other sort of benefit for a child. Tradition Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Athiests don't like to admit that non belief in a deity also requires the leap of faith that a believer requires to take the opposite side of the argument. Since a deity's existence or non-existence is non-provable, a definite statement for either side requires a leap of faith. Really, so, the leap of faith you must take to not believe in the invisible dragon I Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 My parents always taught me that Santa Claus was a nice story, but not true. I still got presents from Santa. Just wanted to toss that out there. Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Well that explains alot. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 My parents always taught me that Santa Claus was a nice story, but not true. I still got presents from Santa. Just wanted to toss that out there. We Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Really, so, the leap of faith you must take to not believe in the invisible dragon I Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Talk about missing the point Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Talk about missing the point Indeed - the point of the story of Santa Claus is to toughen up kids against the crushing blows that life will deliver for the rest of their days. Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Indeed - the point of the story of Santa Claus is to toughen up kids against the crushing blows that life will deliver for the rest of their days.I thought it was the classic bait and switch to be able to blame someone else if the kids think the presents are sucky. Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 I tried to make this argument repeatedly about 30 pages ago, but lost interest.I think it's been made a great number of times. It just doesn't slip past the belief systems. Link to post Share on other sites
austrya Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Eh, I think I'm going to continue to be Catholic and go to church every week and every holy day. I'm happy with that. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Eh, I think I'm going to continue to be Catholic and go to church every week and every holy day. I'm happy with that. NO! You are not allowed to live your own life in the way that brings you the most fulfillment and happiness! You aren't really as happy as you think you are. IT'S A LIE Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 I disagree, based on advances in the world of neuroscience, I think it is entirely possible that at some point in the future, we will crack the code of spirituality Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Tradition Link to post Share on other sites
markosis Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 I'll tell you right now why we believe what we believe: Experience. What you experience in your life will determine how you see the world. It doesn't take neuroscientists to figure that out, just common sense. And since we all experience different things, we will believe different things, hence it is ridiculous to argue over whether a certain belief is right or wrong because there is no right or wrong in this case. (didn't I say this on like page 5 of this thread?) Link to post Share on other sites
kwall Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 I don't know about you - but my knowledge of what exists in our universe, and what doesn't exist, is extremely limited. I'm under the assumption that anything is possible. The universe is vast. To give definitive statements without proof about what does and what does not exist strikes me as close-minded and ridiculous. So, I'm talking about either side of the equation. I can accept someone saying "I'm doubtful there's a deity", or "I'm doubtful there's not a deity" but anyone who states certainty on either side of the equation is obnoxious and delusional.exactamundo. Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Actually it's worse than that....I can even accept definitive statements like that...but what it is is 'you're a retarded assholeif you believe, and you're the reason why teenage seals in Zimbabwe and getting pregnant for oil.' Link to post Share on other sites
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