Guest Jules Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Enormous salaries are one thing, but I think it's pretty crazy when they get huge bonuses while laying off thousands upon thousands of workers.Why? They really don't have anything to do with each other. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 The truth is that many of these guys are more qualified to run the country than those that we put in power. Not everyone is interested in giving up the allure of the private sector though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Why? They really don't have anything to do with each other. I was under the impression that bonuses were to reward good work. Silly me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IATTBYB Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 The consequences of failing to bail out the Big 3 are starting Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 The consequences of failing to bail out the Big 3 are starting Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 I was under the impression that bonuses were to reward good work. Silly me.It's not easy to lay off people. Sometimes it's necessary. It's just business. The truth is that many of these guys are more qualified to run the country than those that we put in power. Not everyone is interested in giving up the allure of the private sector though.truth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 It's not easy to lay off people. Sometimes it's necessary. It's just business. I understand that it's sometimes necessary. I just don't understand why necessary = worthy of multi-million dollar bonuses. If you need to go to the government for a bailout, and this applies to the financial sector as well as industry, then you have done a poor job of running your business and do not deserve a bonus. If your profits have fallen so severely that you have to layoff large segments of your workforce, then you've done a bad job and do not deserve a bonus. If you're being crushed by overseas competitors, then you're doing a bad job and do not deserve a bonus. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 If you need to go to the government for a bailout, and this applies to the financial sector as well as industry, then you have done a poor job of running your business and do not deserve a bonus.Maybe you don't deserve a bonus, ok, but it doesn't necessarily mean you have done a poor job. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Maybe you don't deserve a bonus, ok, but it doesn't necessarily mean you have done a poor job. By what measure have they performed well or even mediocre? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 By what measure have they performed well or even mediocre? No one could possibly argue that the situation of a company like GM or Ford isn't the direct result of poor management. But as has been said many times here, those companies are wrestling with incredibly difficult obligations to employees that put them behind their competition before the game even starts. Sort of like they have to compete with other car companies with one hand tied behind their back. Not to mention, it's hard to blame GM or Ford for the absolute tsunami of a downturn we've seen. People are saving money at every step, credit is tight, etc. GM and Ford would be taking huge hits in this economy even if they hadnt put too many eggs in the SUV basket. I dont know enough about the companies specifically to tell you what their senior management has done "well or even mediocre" but I also think it's a bit too simple to say "they layed off people so they did a bad job." (Not that you said this, but it seems sort of implied) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mfwahl Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 I look at it this way:Â I work in sales. The economy has taken a turn for the worst. While I'm working just as hard, my commissions and standard of living have changed. Â When you go asking for a bailout, shouldn't something relatively similar happen to you, especially if you're the head of the company? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 No one could possibly argue that the situation of a company like GM or Ford isn't the direct result of poor management. But as has been said many times here, those companies are wrestling with incredibly difficult obligations to employees that put them behind their competition before the game even starts. Sort of like they have to compete with other car companies with one hand tied behind their back. Not to mention, it's hard to blame GM or Ford for the absolute tsunami of a downturn we've seen. People are saving money at every step, credit is tight, etc. GM and Ford would be taking huge hits in this economy even if they hadnt put too many eggs in the SUV basket. I dont know enough about the companies specifically to tell you what their senior management has done "well or even mediocre" but I also think it's a bit too simple to say "they layed off people so they did a bad job." (Not that you said this, but it seems sort of implied) I Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mfwahl Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 I want a golden parachute for Christmas. Like literally a golden parachute. With some matching golden alligator shoes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 I look at it this way:Â I work in sales. The economy has taken a turn for the worst. While I'm working just as hard, my commissions and standard of living have changed. Â When you go asking for a bailout, shouldn't something relatively similar happen to you, especially if you're the head of the company?Yes. At the very least, you should suck it up and fly commercial. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 I want a golden parachute for Christmas. Like literally a golden parachute. With some matching golden alligator shoes. A golden parachute would look cool, but I wouldn't recommend using it. It would be awfully heavy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 A golden parachute would look cool, but I wouldn't recommend using it. It would be awfully heavy.reminds me of this... http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HZSkM-QEeUg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
explodo Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 So they're at it again. I make threats like this often, and this one if just as empty, but if even a single American falls for the showing up in a regular car stunt, I will lose faith in mankind. And the longer this whole thing drags on, the more I say we shouldn't even be considering this. Let the oil companies bail them out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IATTBYB Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 So they're at it again. I make threats like this often, and this one if just as empty, but if even a single American falls for the showing up in a regular car stunt, I will lose faith in mankind. And the longer this whole thing drags on, the more I say we shouldn't even be considering this. Let the oil companies bail them out.They wouldn't have to pull the showing up in regular car stunt if some dumb-ass congressman hadn't pulled the fly down in corporate jets hissy fit last month. The fact that every interview I have heard from Wagoner and Mulally ends with some interviewer bringing up this red herring infuriates me. The problems facing the Big 3 are serious, and the fact that these corporations use private jets for their top executives (like most other Fortune 200 companies) has such a miniscule impact on their bottom lines. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 How did the bank execs get to Washington for their hearings? I don't think they rode Amtrak. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ZenLunatic Posted December 5, 2008 Author Share Posted December 5, 2008 How did the bank execs get to Washington for their hearings? I don't think they rode Amtrak. They drove there. Road Trip. Makes more sense. Also.... The UAW dropped job banks since last meeting which is good thing. The CEOs mentioned they would work for a dollar a year which doesnt make sense to me. Ford seems to think they may now not need help. Seems like a good thing that Congress rejected the bailout last time, seems like a good thing for them to do it again.  Now instead of $25 billion they want $34 billion this time. How does that work? You know my opinion, forget it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 They drove there. Link? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ZenLunatic Posted December 5, 2008 Author Share Posted December 5, 2008 Link? I saw it on the news last night about yesterdays hearings. Here is the newest on this - http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=952234215&play=1 http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=952199222&play=1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 In better times congress would skip town before they showed up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ZenLunatic Posted December 5, 2008 Author Share Posted December 5, 2008 Link? They used Hybrid cars.http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081205/bs_nm/...lout_execs_sb_1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
explodo Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 They used Hybrid cars.http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081205/bs_nm/...lout_execs_sb_1He asked how the bank execs got there, not the auto execs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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