bobbob1313 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 I don't get why it is hard to be a professional sports fan sometimes. Not with regards to what you posted, anyways. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 I don't get why it is hard to be a professional sports fan sometimes. Not with regards to what you posted, anyways.Because they make a lot of money. How dare they? Link to post Share on other sites
jakobnicholas Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Because they make a lot of money. How dare they? Please. Players can and should demand whatever amount of money dumbass owners are willing to pay. But when I go to the ballpark and spend the money I have to spend, it's aggravating to me that part of the reason I spend so much, is so players like Ramirez can pull in 20 million a year. I still watch a lot of sports on TV, but I only attend a handful of sporting events a year 'cause it's getting too damn expensive. Manny could break both legs and wrists in 2009, and be questionable to play in 2010, but simply tell the Dogers he wants to exercise his option, and he'd STILL get all his money. He's a being a whiny, greedy bitch with these negotiations. And players like him sour my enjoyability of professional sports. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Would you rather it went back to the days when Joe Dimaggio held out for 40,000 but had no choice but to sign whatever contract the team gave him because he had zero rights as property of the team? Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Would you rather have a false dichotomy? Link to post Share on other sites
quarter23cd Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 You guys have Weiters, who might be the best catcher in baseball like tomorrow.I know it. Its been a long time since I've seen a team swoon over a catcher like this. I hope he is everything he is hyped to be... Link to post Share on other sites
jakobnicholas Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Would you rather it went back to the days when Joe Dimaggio held out for 40,000 but had no choice but to sign whatever contract the team gave him because he had zero rights as property of the team? Oh, that's fresh. Bring up the most absurdly extreme fact to make a point. I'm fine with players asking for lots of money. But sometimes it just gets crazy, don't ya think? Isn't it reasonable to assume that, every now and then, the player's DON'T deserve and are NOT worth what they ask for. The guaranteed money given to NFL draft picks is a JOKE. It's rolling the dice for owners. They're forced to pay absurd money for college players who have never stepped foot on an NFL field. How many college QB's signed for millions, only to do zero in the NFL? If my city had an NBA team I might go to 1 game every year. First, it's expesive. Second, I'm personally disgusted with how much money is in sports. It's embarrassing. If I can make a cable payment and watch games on TV, that's cool. But paying 75 (or more) bucks a ticket plus 20 bucks to park and 10 bucks for a coke and hot dog to help pay for Kobe or Dwight Howard's contract is ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 But paying 75 (or more) bucks a ticket plus 20 bucks to park and 10 bucks for a coke and hot dog to help pay for Kobe or Dwight Howard's contract is ridiculous.So, don't go. I agree it's ridiculous.Eventually the league will price itself out of its own market. The NHL will be the first league to implode, but NFL, NBA, and MLB all seem to be doing good business. Link to post Share on other sites
jakobnicholas Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 So, don't go. I agree it's ridiculous.Eventually the league will price itself out of its own market. The NHL will be the first league to implode, but NFL, NBA, and MLB all seem to be doing good business. I agree. I guess I'm baffled how these leagues sell so many high-priced suites and tickets. With cable (ESPN mainly) and internet and sports talk, the average fan can watch and keep up with almost every team WITHOUT having to buy a ticket. I actually don't have a huge problem with how things are currently, 'cause I can watch almost every Chiefs and Royals game on TV......along with HUNDREDS of other games. Pretty much evey damn night, I can watch an NBA game....same goes for baseball in the summer and football in the fall. But it is astounding the money that rolls through the NFL, MLB and NBA. Most of that is TV money. Eventually TV contracts will start going down, if it hasn't started already. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 I mean, don't go is the easiest option. But I don't see the point in complaining. They are paid their market value. Ticket prices are only a small amount of that. Television contracts and especially now MLBN and MLB.TV and MLB.com bring in tremendous amounts of revenue. If people stopped going to games, they would still be able to pay players ridiculous amounts of money, all other things being equal. Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 My main problem with the sports industry is the degree to which it's publicly subsidized. Most research, as I understand it, suggests that cities and states do not make the money that they shell out for stadiums back in tax revenue, etc. I know that a lot of businesses are publicly subsidized to various extents, but here we have public subsidies mostly enabling a handful of people (owners and players) becoming fabulously rich. The year after the Bears had Soldier Field redone (largely on the public's dime), the Tribune wrote a story about how their profit margins skyrocketed as a result of the deal. Link to post Share on other sites
dondoboy Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 I will continue to complain about ridiculously high contracts for the simple reason that a younger generation of future players see that as the reason to play and not a love of the game. The amount of money being paid is absurd. I'm not going to stop watching or going to games, but I am going to complain about it. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 I will continue to complain about ridiculously high contracts for the simple reason that a younger generation of future players see that as the reason to play and not a love of the game. The amount of money being paid is absurd. I'm not going to stop watching or going to games, but I am going to complain about it. Barry Bonds: "The last game I played was in college. Ever since then, it's been a business. This is a business." I can guarantee you he isn't the first person to express this sentiment. There's a reason players have been fighting for higher salaries since day 1, and why players have tried to get the upper hand in any (legal or otherwise) they can since day 1, and why every minor leaguer out there wants that major league contract. Sure, they like playing the game, but 90% of these players don't look at the game the same way you have, and they haven't in a long time. It's their job. Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 If Manny gets what he wants, he'd better make with the home run king shit in 09. Link to post Share on other sites
dondoboy Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Barry Bonds: "The last game I played was in college. Ever since then, it's been a business. This is a business." I can guarantee you he isn't the first person to express this sentiment. There's a reason players have been fighting for higher salaries since day 1, and why players have tried to get the upper hand in any (legal or otherwise) they can since day 1, and why every minor leaguer out there wants that major league contract. Sure, they like playing the game, but 90% of these players don't look at the game the same way you have, and they haven't in a long time. It's their job.Where does it say that you can't love what you do for a living? That Bonds isn't the only one to express this sentiment is exactly my point. Would Barry have become a hedge fund manager if baseball wasn't going to pay him well enough? Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Where does it say that you can't love what you do for a living? That Bonds isn't the only one to express this sentiment is exactly my point. Would Barry have become a hedge fund manager if baseball wasn't going to pay him well enough? You can surely love what you do for a living. I'm sure most of them do. But most of them also look at it as a job, and as such are doing it for the paycheck. People will always play for the love, but how many of them are going to devote their entire lives to playing it, including forgoing school and being away from their family 5 months of the year without the paycheck at the end of the week? I guess I don't get sentimental about it, but I don't see why players playing for money or players "playing for the love of the game" (which I don't think has been commonplace since players started get paid to play) makes any difference. Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 The owners I think are in it for the money, too, no? Link to post Share on other sites
dondoboy Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 You can surely love what you do for a living. I'm sure most of them do. But most of them also look at it as a job, and as such are doing it for the paycheck. People will always play for the love, but how many of them are going to devote their entire lives to playing it, including forgoing school and being away from their family 5 months of the year without the paycheck at the end of the week? I guess I don't get sentimental about it, but I don't see why players playing for money or players "playing for the love of the game" (which I don't think has been commonplace since players started get paid to play) makes any difference.In my living room or at the game it doesn't make a difference. I'm just happy they are out there playing. It is sentimentality. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 He's a being a whiny, greedy bitch with these negotiations. And players like him sour my enjoyability of professional sports.That's your problem, you know. Not his. The owners I think are in it for the money, too, no?I would hope so. It's not a hobby. Link to post Share on other sites
rareair Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 you can be aggravated with manny's negotiation strategy without opposing high-end salaries. Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied lightning Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 it may be a biz, but a lot sure have a hard time retiring.most cry like a baby when they have to leave the game. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 I'm guessing a lot of people who spend 30 years of their life doing something everyday will be sentimental when they stop doing that thing. Link to post Share on other sites
Moss Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 According to Lindy's the Twins are going to be first in their division! Woot! Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 I like Jim Bowden's claim that he's resigning not because he is guilty of anything, but because the scandal has created a distraction whereby he is no unable to effectively do his job. It's funny, because he's never been able to effectively do his job. Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Jose Contreras lost a bunch of weight and is scheduled to pitch at some point during spring training. Pretty amazing considering his age (50 is not out of the question) and the fact that he ruptured his achilles in August (he originally had a target return date of June). Link to post Share on other sites
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