The High Heat Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 2 comments - 1st) Grateful dead - you are a true patriot and hero. Thanks for exposing all of the hypocricy. 2nd) There are quite a few drama queens/kings on this board. It does seem a contradiction that Wilco/Jeff Tweedy are all about openess and acceptance, yet this site discussing them has a certain cliqueishness to it. You've been here alot longer than me, and I find it interesting this comment comes from someone who's been around for a long time (no knock on you). An honest discussion about this board would probably be a real good thing ~ later. Right now there's alot going on with the DVD, W(TA) anticipation, the tour, the lawsuit, and especially with the death of Jay. Maybe now we'd be better off reflecting on each of own inner self, and wait a few months to discuss Jay honestly in one thread and ourselves honestly in another, seperate from one another as they are different issues. Let's not use Jay's death as a method to assault one another. Patience will bring decorum. Link to post Share on other sites
Shakespeare In The Alley Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 oh, no, I was just being sarcastic... well, at least about my first comment.Not gonna lie, I consider myself something of a sarcasm aficionado, and I missed that one. I guess my point still stands, just not in opposition to you. Link to post Share on other sites
grateful dead Posted May 28, 2009 Author Share Posted May 28, 2009 I'm sorry i was upset when i wrote this. EVERYONE ONE THIS BOARD PROBABLY THINKS IM NUTS i am sorry is all Link to post Share on other sites
myboyblue Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 It does seem a contradiction that Wilco/Jeff Tweedy are all about openess and acceptance, yet this site discussing them has a certain cliqueishness to it. You've been here alot longer than me, and I find it interesting this comment comes from someone who's been around for a long time (no knock on you). An honest discussion about this board would probably be a real good thing ~ later. Right now there's alot going on with the DVD, W(TA) anticipation, the tour, the lawsuit, and especially with the death of Jay. Maybe now we'd be better off reflecting on each of own inner self, and wait a few months to discuss Jay honestly in one thread and ourselves honestly in another, seperate from one another as they are different issues. Let's not use Jay's death as a method to assault one another. Patience will bring decorum.See above post. I was being sarcastic. People thought I was really calling grateful dead a hero, huh? I'll have to lay it on a bit thicker moving forward. I wonder what other shit that I have said on here that people took seriously. In all seriousness, many people probably had mixed feelings on Jay. His best friends have said the same thing. My thoughts were that he was ridiculously talented as a musician. He was good for Wilco and Jeff but he got too big for his britches. He wanted a Jagger/Richards thing and that wasn't really the case. I have always liked him but certainly don't wax poetic about his time in the band. I was very sad to hear that he passed away though. Link to post Share on other sites
hottuna Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 i do i just remember the bitter taste i felt from the insults is all, its whatever i dont even care anymore i just wanted to get this off my chest. You're all just hypocrites in your own ways. and i am too I hear you dude. I don't post much but been reading a lot of JB bashing on this site over the years and especially lately w the lawsuit. Unfortunately this is pretty typical stuff in this day and age. Link to post Share on other sites
myboyblue Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Not gonna lie, I consider myself something of a sarcasm aficionado, and I missed that one. I guess my point still stands, just not in opposition to you. Link to post Share on other sites
grateful dead Posted May 28, 2009 Author Share Posted May 28, 2009 I never was trying to take a shot at anyone on this board espicially speed racer. I love wilco its my favorite music in the world. I just didnt ever respect the bad jay comments Link to post Share on other sites
The High Heat Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 I'm sorry i was upset when i wrote this. EVERYONE ONE THIS BOARD PROBABLY THINKS IM NUTS i am sorry is all No. I figured you were just upset. If the original post you refered had beed labeled different it probably would not have been closed. You have handled it much better. Link to post Share on other sites
grateful dead Posted May 28, 2009 Author Share Posted May 28, 2009 Honestly in ways both sides make a lot of sense, Its all opinion Link to post Share on other sites
The High Heat Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 See above post. I was being sarcastic. People thought I was really calling grateful dead a hero, huh? I'll have to lay it on a bit thicker moving forward. I wonder what other shit that I have said on here that people took seriously. I type slow, so you posted the sarcasm bit while I was pecking. I figured the hero bit was sarcasm , though Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 I have been one of Jay Bennett's biggest supporters on this board for a long time. I have listened to very little besides his music since reading the first rumors of his death. I see no contradiction in people reacting to his lawsuit in one way, and reacting to his death in another. If your brother sleeps with your wife on Thursday and falls off a cliff on Friday, are you a hypocrite for being mad at him for what he did the day before? Are you a hypocrite for remembering the good times you shared on Friday? Link to post Share on other sites
Shakespeare In The Alley Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I have been one of Jay Bennett's biggest supporters on this board for a long time. I have listened to very little besides his music since reading the first rumors of his death. I see no contradiction in people reacting to his lawsuit in one way, and reacting to his death in another. If your brother sleeps with your wife on Thursday and falls off a cliff on Friday, are you a hypocrite for being mad at him for what he did the day before? Are you a hypocrite for remembering the good times you shared on Friday?Wonderful analogy. Link to post Share on other sites
mpolak21 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 In high school and college I probably watched the I Am Trying To Break Your Heart documentary as much as I've watched any other film. My buddy John and I spent a lot of time parroting Bennett's lines and making fun of him but we always acknowledged his talent. There are certain people that lend themselves very easily to parody, and Jay, God love him, was one of them. Doesn't everyone have a high school teacher you or your friends could do a wicked impersonation of? It doesn't necessarily constitute being mean-spirited, for instance would you consider Phil Hartman a hypocrite for doing Ronald Regan on SNL in the eighties, now that Regan has passed? Should SCTV's Dave Thomas be called a phony for expressing his condolences over the death of Bob Hope? For the most part the majority of the posters here who made fun of Jay weren't doing so out of any malice, there were times when he was just a very easy guy to make fun of. Now, I do feel it was a damn shame that since he was fired from the band, it has been difficult to have a serious conversation about Jay here without having someone chip in with a joke, but for the most part none of those posts seemed personal and the ones that did seemed to be from people who just wanted to bait or get into an argument. It wasn't like our moderators or Aman or Beltmann were chipping in with "Is that you, Jay?" posts if you catch my drift. Ultimately what we can do now is to try to make it better. Let's give Jay and his contributions the respect he deserves. Personally, all the times I made fun of him were out of love and I'd like to think somewhere he'll be chuckling the next time I screw something up and quip "well now I've got to go back and mute all the tracks." --Mike Link to post Share on other sites
grateful dead Posted May 29, 2009 Author Share Posted May 29, 2009 Sometimes i feel on this board people will take one small part of a bigger picture of what someone said and dwell on that. LIke the parodies wasn't my point at all. Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 grateful dead - you make sweeping generalizations. Stop saying "everyone" on this board when you refer to stuff. Link to post Share on other sites
grateful dead Posted May 29, 2009 Author Share Posted May 29, 2009 sorry man Link to post Share on other sites
mpolak21 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Sometimes i feel on this board people will take one small part of a bigger picture of what someone said and dwell on that. LIke the parodies wasn't my point at all. When I started my original reply the last thing you posted was about the parodies, so unfortunately because it takes me a long time to write a long post, I don't always go back and look the new stuff that gets added to a thread before I post. In the interest of clarity what exactly is your point? --Mike Link to post Share on other sites
grateful dead Posted May 29, 2009 Author Share Posted May 29, 2009 That there was a lot of ill will for jay b4 he died now all these jay lovers are everywhere when around 5% would even stick up for him a week ago Honestly i dont care about this anymore Link to post Share on other sites
Three dollars and 63 cents Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Unless you're trolling, you do too care. You're just flustered because people are bringing up plenty of specific, valid points to refute your sweeping generalizations. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Sometimes i feel on this board people will take one small part of a bigger picture of what someone said and dwell on that. guilty Link to post Share on other sites
insideoutoflove Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 That there was a lot of ill will for jay b4 he died now all these jay lovers are everywhere when around 5% would even stick up for him a week ago Honestly i dont care about this anymoreSo...you want everyone who has ever said anything negative about Jay to delete their posts of condolences, grievance and concern about his death from the board? I get your "point", you've restated it multiple times throughout the thread. But I still don't get what you want. Link to post Share on other sites
kidsmoke Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 From the VC Rules and Regulations: Regarding Forum Etiquette It is our intention at Via Chicago to foster an online community that is welcoming, all-ages friendly, and enjoyable for all our membership. Toward that end, we expect all posts to be civil and respectful. The following will not be tolerated: Link to post Share on other sites
OOO Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I think if you actually go back you'll find that 95% of people is way too high, and plenty of people the whole time said they respected Jay's musical contributions. Take for example, the thread where it was first revealed that he needed hip replacement surgery:http://forums.viachicago.org/topic/39705-jay-bennett-posts-about-upcoming-surgery/ Lots of people were ready and willing to donate money to help the guy out. That's saying something. Sure, some people were less in love with Jay when it turned out he had sued Jeff, but we didn't (and still don't) know the particulars of the case and so some knee jerk reactions were going to be negative: http://forums.viachicago.org/topic/39830-wilco-ex-member-sues-frontman-tweedy/ But again, a good chunk of the people were definitely not anti-Jay. And as stated before, even if they were mad at the time, they have the right to grieve along with everyone else. Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Honestly i dont care about this anymoreThen you shouldn't have brought it up in the first place. And as stated before, even if they were mad at the time, they have the right to grieve along with everyone else.And they also had the right to be mad about the lawsuit. It's not hypocrisy to be mad that Jay sued Jeff, and then be sad that Jay died. Link to post Share on other sites
grateful dead Posted May 29, 2009 Author Share Posted May 29, 2009 i dont care about this because its petty who gives a fuck about any of you guys Like honestly i was pissed when i wrote that i tried to apologize and new people come on here and bait me when i never intended to bait anyone if though you all say i did. I dont want you guys to do anything I DONT CARE like its weird when you say something and people think your saying something else Link to post Share on other sites
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