IRememberDBoon Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I beg to differ. I work for a large company and we have a software platform that we have invested millions in and almost 15 years and right now it is still not running. Google SAP horror stories for companies who spend huge amounts of capital and time only to fail or launch a shoddy product. K-Mart had their company on the brink of failure over inability to launch their inventory system. And remember the private sector supposedly always does it better. So there is no way you can say that 3+ years is plenty of time to get a system running error free. Also there is an assumption that building the system began immediately .Putting a software project into play is complex and rarely bug free.as a software product and release manager (believe it or not) I can attest to this but the shit should be straight by now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I beg to differ. I work for a large company and we have a software platform that we have invested millions in and almost 15 years and right now it is still not running. Google SAP horror stories for companies who spend huge amounts of capital and time only to fail or launch a shoddy product. K-Mart had their company on the brink of failure over inability to launch their inventory system. And remember the private sector supposedly always does it better. So there is no way you can say that 3+ years is plenty of time to get a system running error free. Also there is an assumption that building the system began immediately . Putting a software project into play is complex and rarely bug free.Yea, that whole they have three years to make this work is just plain stupid. They have probably not been working on it for three years and way more people went on the site than they had planned. I work for the government and we are working on an in house program for 6 years and it is still not ready and bug free. This is one time I whole heartedly believe the private sector "might" be able to do better, but even with that caveat we have all been on websites created by the private sector that have crashed or not worked as planned. Of all the issues with the ACA, the website issue is really not germane. The shut down drags on, but let's let Wall Street start to tank and THEN the Republicans will come around. LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I beg to differ. I work for a large company and we have a software platform that we have invested millions in and almost 15 years and right now it is still not running. Google SAP horror stories for companies who spend huge amounts of capital and time only to fail or launch a shoddy product. K-Mart had their company on the brink of failure over inability to launch their inventory system. And remember the private sector supposedly always does it better. So there is no way you can say that 3+ years is plenty of time to get a system running error free. Also there is an assumption that building the system began immediately . Putting a software project into play is complex and rarely bug free. I agree expecting it to be error/bug free is unrealistic, but 2-3 weeks into it and you can't even get into the system. For something that's supposed to take effect Jan 1 this can't be good. I talked to our insurance broker, and they too have not been able to get into the system to even view the available options & rates in order to compare for their clients. This is someone who is IN THE INSURANCE BUSINESS. We have open enrollment coming up Dec. 1 for our company health care and we have nothing to compare it to and cannot help our employees make a decision one way or another. It's really a mess as I see it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Yea, that whole they have three years to make this work is just plain stupid. They have probably not been working on it for three years and way more people went on the site than they had planned. I work for the government and we are working on an in house program for 6 years and it is still not ready and bug free. This is one time I whole heartedly believe the private sector "might" be able to do better, but even with that caveat we have all been on websites created by the private sector that have crashed or not worked as planned. Of all the issues with the ACA, the website issue is really not germane. The shut down drags on, but let's let Wall Street start to tank and THEN the Republicans will come around. LouieB Not germane? How else are people supposed to enroll before Jan 1? Seems pretty relevant to me. Is there evidence they had "way more people" attempt to go on the site than planned? I haven't seen any numbers. Judging from my un-scientific poll of factory workers, ~90% of these people know next to nothing about the whole thing. I'm thinking there really hasn't been that much traffic, but the thing just doesn't work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Don Draper Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 And yes, the baseline issue seems to be that users either can't create a profile or can't log in. If Jezebel can manage to enroll people's user profiles then there is no excuse for the federal government to be unable to manage that threshold feature. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I just got on it to compare plans just now. Easy peasy. Are you lying or just incompetent? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I just got on it to compare plans just now. Easy peasy. Are you lying or just incompetent? Was that necessary? Create a Marketplace accountImportant: Your account couldnt be created at this time. The system is unavailable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Don Draper Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I just got on it to compare plans just now. Easy peasy. Are you lying or just incompetent?We're you asking Jules or the scores of news outlets that have been reporting the number of troubles that have plagued the site? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Was that necessary? Create a Marketplace accountImportant: Your account couldnt be created at this time. The system is unavailable. Oh. My bad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Heartbreak Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Meanwhile, in the latest "income inequality" news: http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell/2013/10/09/world-likely-to-have-11-trillionaires-within-two-generations-credit-suisse/ It’s pretty disconcerting to see over two-thirds of the world’s adults have wealth of less than $10,000, while the wealthiest 0.7% hold 41% of the world’s wealth. But hey, they worked hard for it, so therefore they deserve it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Don Draper Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I'd love I get paid more. On the other hand, I'd have to plot pretty seriously to figure out a way to even inconvenience someone at my job, and my only opportunities to kill or injure someone are on my commute. Even that would take some effort, since I bus. Fortune 1000 CEOs are overpaid, but by and large I'm fine with doctor pay. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Meanwhile, in the latest "income inequality" news: http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell/2013/10/09/world-likely-to-have-11-trillionaires-within-two-generations-credit-suisse/ But hey, they worked hard for it, so therefore they deserve it.Very passive aggressive Mr. H. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 But hey, they worked hard for it, so therefore they deserve it.yeah like the Walton kids. They worked their asses off for it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 What would you prefer they do with the money? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
calvino Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 What would you prefer they do with the money? Help out with some of the health care for their own employees, rather then us taxpayers/insureds, would be nice. Perhaps if they and all the other huge companies did, perhaps we wouldn't need the ACA. If some doctors didn't legally abuse Social Security, perhaps we wouldn't need ACA.If insurance companies didn't end insurance on people who became sick or didn't offer it to people who were 'likely' to become sick, perhaps we wouldn't need the ACA. All the above do these actions to make money for themselves and their shareholders --- which of course is legal, right, and 'just' --- and all the above attributed to the creation of the ACA.Soon enough (once the fucking site is up and going - it is absurd that there are all these issues with the site), corporations will learn how to make money and take advantage of the ACA. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 the waltons should do whatever they want but just don't tell me they worked their asses off for their $$$$ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Was that necessary? Create a Marketplace accountImportant: Your account couldnt be created at this time. The system is unavailable. It just worked for me now. Try again! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I agree expecting it to be error/bug free is unrealistic, but 2-3 weeks into it and you can't even get into the system. For something that's supposed to take effect Jan 1 this can't be good. I agree the site should be working, but we're not "2-3 weeks into it." It's been less than two weks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 yeah like the Walton kids. They worked their asses off for itJohn boy Walton was always a good kid who worked hard for what little he got , so no need to bring him into this . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I just got on it to compare plans just now. Easy peasy. Are you lying or just incompetent?Funny. Sorry, but considering Jules is usually the flippant one here, this is pretty humorous. LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hixter Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I just got on it to compare plans just now. Easy peasy. Are you lying or just incompetent?I just tried the government site for about the 50th time and yet again it wouldn't allow me to create an account. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I just tried the government site for about the 50th time and yet again it wouldn't allow me to create an account.Somehow I didn't peg you as someone signing up for ACA. Interesting. LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hixter Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Somehow I didn't peg you as someone signing up for ACA.I have no intention of doing so, but I'd like to take a look around and see how the plans compare to my current coverage. It just bombed on me yet again. Every time I try to create an account it fails, but when I go through the process again it tells me that the username is already in use, so I have to create a different one. The website's database must be filled with thousands/millions of duplicate accounts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 You know what would have been nice, if the GOP instead of at every turn trying to defund, overturn, or generally stymie ACA, is they realized it was a law that was duly passed and upheld by the SCOTUS, and worked to make it better. Not every law is perfect, nor are major reforms implemented easily, but it is so hard to get things right when one side sole purpose is to destroy the very thing you are working for. I also laugh at Jules assertion that it has been 2-3 weeks of ACA. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Heartbreak Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Maybe the ACA site would work better if fewer people went on there to set up fake accounts they never intend to use. Just a thought. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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