General Political Thread

[Hixter]

Yellowcake Yellowcake Yellow Fucking Cake.

You mean the 550 tons of yellowcake that the United States removed from Iraq during the war?

[Sir Stewart]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/yellowcake.asp

 

The U.S. did manage to ameliorate a substantial security concern by secretly shipping stored yellowcake out of Iraq in mid-2008, but that act was not, as claimed above, proof that Iraq had been purchasing uranium and attempting to restart its nuclear program prior to the U.S. invasion.

[John Smith]

Oh yes they obstructed and did not cooperate and in the long run it turns out they did. Their big crime was trying to pretend they still had WMD capabilities. But we chased inspectors out while they were doing their job, we blew the hell out if their country, an unknown number of people died, economy destroyed, thousands of our young men and women killed, billions and billions spent, where is the outrage? None from the right, keep the outrage focused on Benghazi.

 

BTW the source for your story is the dreaded liberal media. Seems like if they really were liberally biased they would have fav checked their story, but no the goal is to prove they are not biased and just spew whatever stories cross their paths without verification. True reporting is dead in our country.

[Hixter]

but that act was not, as claimed above, proof that Iraq had been purchasing uranium and attempting to restart its nuclear program prior to the U.S. invasion.

I made no such claim. I just wanted to remind people that there were 500 million tons of yellowcake in Iraq.

 

BTW the source for your story is the dreaded liberal media. Seems like if they really were liberally biased they would have fav checked their story, but no the goal is to prove they are not biased and just spew whatever stories cross their paths without verification. True reporting is dead in our country.

What needed to be fact-checked in the CNN story?

[Sir Stewart]

I made no such claim. I just wanted to remind people that there were 500 million tons of yellowcake in Iraq.

 

Irrelevant.

[lost highway]

I think you'll find that there are millions of Republicans who are smart, too. Hell, I'm willing to bet that my IQ is higher than President Obama's. I'm sure there's a reason that he never released his SAT scores or college transcripts.

 

Thunderdome episode IQ off: Hixter vs. PBO!  Game on!

[twoshedsjackson]

I think you'll find that there are millions of Republicans who are smart, too. Hell, I'm willing to bet that my IQ is higher than President Obama's. I'm sure there's a reason that he never released his SAT scores or college transcripts.

 

Nope.

I'm sure there are some intelligent republicans, but they're sure as hell not the ones running for office - or did you miss the R candidates for the last election? Bigoted young earth creationists, suspicious of science. Idiots all.

 

You can keep banging on about Benghazi

& broken websites, but never forget that you're supporting a party whose ideology is largely based on their faith and, ironically enough, greed.

They pander to the stupid, racist, bible-thumping cretins who desperately want a theocracy (Christian, of course) and genuinely believe in end times prophecies. They shouldn't even be considered for any public office or even grown-up conversation. They're dangerous.

 

You'll say - or maybe you won't - that these people don't represent your views. But that's who you're voting for.

[Hixter]

Irrelevant.

Your mention of yellowcake had no context. If you had said something about Plame I wouldn't have posted that link.

[caliber66]

Yes, and I remember a lot of talk about removing a dictator and bringing freedom to the Iraqi people.

I don't understand why either of these should be a reason for the United States going to war.

[Sir Stewart]

Your mention of yellowcake had no context. If you had said something about Plame I wouldn't have posted that link.

 

Certainly it did. You listed what you heard in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq in 2003, and I replied with what I heard.

[John Smith]

I think PBO's link indicated what needed to be fact checked. I can't believe I even had to

Post that.

 

You know when I knew positively that the government knew that they were not going to find any WMD? The very first time they said they found some. They announced it and got the press there to report it and the first thing wrong I saw was 'military' NBC (Nuclear, Biological and Chemical) techs opening drums of what they were selling as the most deadly toxins known to man. The problem was that these guys were wearing fatigues, t shirts and protective masks. They should have been wearing full protective fear MOPP IV and the press should not have been there. So I knew it was a charade.

 

But that is really not the point of this discussion the point is actually the faux outrage over everything that occurs in the White House today and the unequal outrage before.

[Sir Stewart]

And of course there's this hilarity:

 

http://youtu.be/f_tFKa2_YBQ

 

[NoJ]

^What a jagoff that guy is.^

[Hixter]

Certainly it did. You listed what you heard in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq in 2003, and I replied with what I heard.

I guess I missed it.

 

I think PBO's link indicated what needed to be fact checked. I can't believe I even had to

Post that.

Read the CNN story again. It is completely factual and in no way relates to the story posted on Snopes.

[John Smith]

Do you actually read this stuff? Both articles are talking about the same yellow cake being under seal prior to the invasion and shipped to Canada. If you can't see that then all I can say is whatever.

 

Speaking of losing credibility the "expert eyewitness" 60 Minutes used for their Benghazi blowout conspiracy story actually was nowhere neat the compound and was eyewitness to zilch. I wonder what else he fibbed about. Once again the "Liberally Biased" press spent a year investigating and darn it they missed out on fav checking again. How on earth can media matters find out information and vet documents in a few days that the liberally biased press can't discover in a year of solid investigating? Bias my ass.

[Hixter]

Do you actually read this stuff?

Yes, but I'm not sure that you did. The Snopes article is in response to a false e-mail claim that the 500 tons of yellowcake was proof that Saddam Hussein was actively purchasing uranium and attempting to restart his nuclear program. The CNN article makes no such claim -- it's merely a factual report about said yellowcake being removed from the country. Read it again.

[John Smith]

But you used the cnn story to bolster your claims that Iraq had/was working in WMD when in fact the very information you supplied was known, tagged and stored under seal prior to our invasion. Snopes refutes that.

 

Now, before you say "I didn't say that" the implications and intent of your posting was eminently clear. If that was not your intention, them please do explain why you would choose to insert that particular story at that point in the discussion?

[Sir Stewart]

Hixter, your arguments are generally impressive on this forum, but good Lord you haven't the capacity, at all, to admit that maybe, just maybe, your stance could be less than 100% correct once in a while.

[Hixter]

But you used the cnn story to bolster your claims that Iraq had/was working in WMD

I made no such claim. Even if I had, it wouldn't warrant your attack on CNN for not fact checking the story.

 

Now, before you say "I didn't say that" the implications and intent of your posting was eminently clear.

Sorry, but you're trying to put words in my mouth and thoughts in my head. You can't point your finger at me for something that exists only in your imagination.

 

 If that was not your intention, them please do explain why you would choose to insert that particular story at that point in the discussion?

Because someone yelled "Yellowcake Yellowcake Yellow Fucking Cake" and the first thing to pop into my head was the story from 2008; I remembered it well. If I had intended to relate it to the Plame thing I would have said so explicitly.

[Hixter]

Hixter, your arguments are generally impressive on this forum, but good Lord you haven't the capacity, at all, to admit that maybe, just maybe, your stance could be less than 100% correct once in a while.

I have no problem with admitting when I'm wrong -- just a few minutes ago I admitted that I missed your intention regarding your yellowcake comment. I do have a problem with people telling me "how I really feel" and second-guessing the intention behind my posts. I'm not a liar, so if I say someone wasn't my intention, it wasn't my intention. I try my best to extend the same courtesy to everyone else.

[John Smith]

Right, plausible deniability. I, and you know exactly what your implications were intended to be. This is where I call out your dishonesty and you call out my impugning your character. We choose the time and place , secure our seconds, update our wills and in the end no one is any better for it. I will say you've done a masterful redirecting the conversation from the faux outrage to this mess.

Oh and I'm done with the topic it grows tiresome.

[Hixter]

I, and you know exactly what your implications were intended to be.

No, you are 100% wrong in your assumption. And that's all it is: an assumption. 

 

I will say you've done a masterful redirecting the conversation from the faux outrage to this mess.

Again, I intended to do nothing of the sort.

 

Oh and I'm done with the topic it grows tiresome.

I wish you'd explain your frustration with the CNN story and their fact checking, because I still can't understand what your beef was.

[John Smith]

I don't doubt you choose to not understand but I said I'm done with the topic, so you win whatever prize they award for pointless discussions I guess.

[KevinG]

I don't doubt you choose to not understand but I said I'm done with the topic, so you win whatever prize they award for pointless discussions I guess.

 

Well as far as pointless discussions go, looks like we will be turning to the gun debate again

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/01/lax-shooting-incident_n_4192370.html

[Hixter]

I don't doubt you choose to not understand but I said I'm done with the topic

It was an honest question. The only thing that I can come up with is that you think CNN is in the "See, there were WMDs in Iraq all along" camp, but the story doesn't say anything like that and I'm left in the uncomfortable position of having to guess what your intention was and, like I said, I don't like to do that.