General Political Thread

[Guest Jules]

What percentage of illegal immigrants do you think make less than minimum wage?

[lost highway]

I've been told that illegals can get food stamps. The Department of Agriculture seems to agree.http://www.amren.com/news/2013/04/usda-to-mexico-illegal-immigrants-can-have-food-stamps/

 

Check the SNAP website (that's the dept that runs food stamps in the U.S.).  They're not eligible.

 

But again, are you trying to convince us that illegal immigrants are bad for the U.S. (an argument that inevitably fails), or are we still trying to rationalize new restrictive voter laws to prevent a hypothetical immigrant from illegally voting in an election motivated by hypothetical "funding" a candidate has controversially made to be part of their platfrom (a new and weird, but interesting argument)?

[Sir Stewart]

What percentage of illegal immigrants do you think make less than minimum wage?

6% maybe?

[Tweedling]

Check the SNAP website (that's the dept that runs food stamps in the U.S.).  They're not eligible.

 

But again, are you trying to convince us that illegal immigrants are bad for the U.S. (an argument that inevitably fails), or are we still trying to rationalize new restrictive voter laws to prevent a hypothetical immigrant from illegally voting in an election motivated by hypothetical "funding" a candidate has controversially made to be part of their platfrom (a new and weird, but interesting argument)?

Yes sir I understand SNAP. Check out their memo. http://washingtonexaminer.com/usda-to-mexico-illegal-immigrants-can-have-food-stamps/article/2528152?custom_click=rss

 

If by new restrictive laws you mean having an ID then yes I am for that.

[Guest Jules]

6% maybe?

I'd buy that.

[Winston Legthigh]

There's not a single migrant worker making minimum wage. I'm guessing that the amount of illegal immigrants involved in agriculture accounts for more than 6%.

[lost highway]

Yes sir I understand SNAP. Check out their memo. http://washingtonexaminer.com/usda-to-mexico-illegal-immigrants-can-have-food-stamps/article/2528152?custom_click=rss

 

If by new restrictive laws you mean having an ID then yes I am for that.

 

Read it again.  There's nothing in there that says that immigrants are eligible, or are utilizing the system.  It says the USDA (that's the dept of agriculture) is advising undocumented workers to cheat the paper work to access SNAP.  They're doing that because they want to provide at risk kids with food and they know that most immigrants wouldn't even try, so they're hoping to encourage them, even though technically it's against the rules.

 

The ID laws are restrictive to several groups of people who don't have ID's.  Most states won't do it, or need to.  If you can't see how this is a political poll gambit, then you sir are wearing a very fashionable pair of rose colored glasses.

[Hixter]

There's not a single migrant worker making minimum wage.

Absolutely untrue.

 

"All workers in America have a legal right to safe, clean working conditions. And they have the right to get paid the full wages they are owed. This means no less than $7.25 an hour — the federal minimum wage."

-- Secretary of Labor Hilda L. Solis, upon the signing of the Migrant Workers Rights Agreement

 

If you can't see how this is a political poll gambit, then you sir are wearing a very fashionable pair of rose colored glasses.

The same goes for anyone who won't acknowledge that the push for immigration reform is a push to add ten million new voters to the Democratic Party.

[Doug C]

The same goes for anyone who won't acknowledge that the push for immigration reform is a push to add ten million new voters to the Democratic Party.

You know, I honestly never thought about that. I just believe that it's the right thing to do. But you are correct. Reform will add Democratic voters. I see that as a by-product of doing the right thing. If I believed that doing the right thing would result in more Republican voters, I would still be in favor of it. I have no data, but in my gut I believe that many conservatives/Republicans would be against what they felt was right if they believed the end result would be an increase Democratic voters.

[KevinG]

Absolutely untrue.

 

"All workers in America have a legal right to safe, clean working conditions. And they have the right to get paid the full wages they are owed. This means no less than $7.25 an hour — the federal minimum wage."

-- Secretary of Labor Hilda L. Solis, upon the signing of the Migrant Workers Rights Agreement

 

That is what the law says, but if believe that everyone is getting paid the minimum wage (or above) you are fooling yourself.  

[Tweedling]

Read it again.  There's nothing in there that says that immigrants are eligible, or are utilizing the system.  It says the USDA (that's the dept of agriculture) is advising undocumented workers to cheat the paper work to access SNAP.  They're doing that because they want to provide at risk kids with food and they know that most immigrants wouldn't even try, so they're hoping to encourage them, even though technically it's against the rules.

 

The ID laws are restrictive to several groups of people who don't have ID's.  Most states won't do it, or need to.  If you can't see how this is a political poll gambit, then you sir are wearing a very fashionable pair of rose colored glasses.

Yep. I keep reading it and every time it still says that illegal immigrants can, " receive financial assistance". Sounds pretty eligible. Do you know any illegal immigrants who receive food stamps or, as we call them in Texas, Lone Star Card? I do.

 

I like the idea of ID's to vote. Sorry we disagree. You're going to say it is restrictive to eligible voters and I think it would keep people who aren't citizens from being able to vote.

 I just bought those glasses btw.

[Mr. Heartbreak]

Not to derail the thread too much discussing wages, but minimum wage only applies to certain conditions.

 

There are many people getting paid cash under the table. If you don't put illegal aliens on your payroll, it's easier to get away with employing them. If they are on your payroll, and you get caught, you got a problem.

 

Food service workers such as waitresses and waiters are NOT entitled to minimum wage under the law, and many restaurants pay workers as little as two dollars an hour. When waitresses say they live on their tips, they're not exaggerating.

[KevinG]

You're going to say it is restrictive to eligible voters ...

 

Not only are people going to say it is restrictive to eligible voters, IT IS RESTRICTIVE to eligible voters.  That is a fact.  There is no debate.  

 

 

 

 ...and I think it would keep people who aren't citizens from being able to vote.

 

Well you can think that, but you would be wrong.  I mentioned before you can get a drivers license if you a legal immigrant and then you could use that to vote.  

 

Again you are willing and complacent to disenfranchise thousands because of a few number suspected voter fraud.  

[lost highway]

Yep. I keep reading it and every time it still says that illegal immigrants can, " receive financial assistance". Sounds pretty eligible. Do you know any illegal immigrants who receive food stamps or, as we call them in Texas, Lone Star Card? I do.

 

I like the idea of ID's to vote. Sorry we disagree. You're going to say it is restrictive to eligible voters and I think it would keep people who aren't citizens from being able to vote.

 I just bought those glasses btw.

 

It's a long stretch to enable a hypothetical concern.  I'm sure I've got my own glasses, but I just noticed yours.  I should call mine the "bias shades"

 

The same goes for anyone who won't acknowledge that the push for immigration reform is a push to add ten million new voters to the Democratic Party.

 

I'll totally get behind that statement.  There are democrats that would ethically like to see some positive change for undocumented workers with babies born here, and there are some that would just like to get the votes.  I understand the same thing happened in the civil rights movement.  Either way, I like the effect.  It's like: "Did they put in that wind farm and solar panels cause they believe in it?"  "Nah they're just trying to save money."

 

That'll do.

[IRememberDBoon]

I work in a hospital. The amount of care given to illegal immigrants is far beyond "urgent care". After care is given bills are not paid....in or out of pocket. a fact.

 

I've been told that illegals can get food stamps. The Department of Agriculture seems to agree.http://www.amren.com/news/2013/04/usda-to-mexico-illegal-immigrants-can-have-food-stamps/

 

Try posting a source that's not run by Klansman and psychopaths.

[Mr. Heartbreak]

For real? Linking to a site with ads for "White Identity" by Jared Taylor and "Race and Reason" by Carleton Putnam? WTF?

[KevinG]

I was wondering that same thing about tweedling's post. From all my research I can't seem to find a corroborated source, or something that actually is from the USDA. You would think something like this would be picked up a more mainstream media.

 

So either 1. the media is covering it up as part of their liberal agenda or 2. It is untrue. As a note I searched on glenn beck's theblaze.com and they didn't even have this story (though some others that were similar)

[Tweedling]

Aw shit. My apologies. That link was the first one I found that had the flyer in Spanish encouraging those here illegally to apply for food stamps. I was not aware of what that website encourages or believes. In no way do I support a race hating group. That was my mistake. The Washington Examiner link I posted has the flyer as well.

[caliber66]

The flyer was encouraging people who are here illegally, but who have children who are citizens, to apply for benefits for their (eligible) children, and reassuring them that they will not be deported for applying for assistance in feeding their children - who, again, as citizens, are legally eligible to receive those benefits.

[lost highway]

Ah, there we have it.  I think this captures the reality of our country well, and has a toe tapping country rock beat:

 

[Atticus]

Let's not dismiss all psychopaths as unreliable sources...

[Tweedling]

Let's not dismiss all psychopaths as unreliable sources...

Thank you!  haha

[lost highway]

Let's not dismiss all psychopaths as unreliable sources...

 

Sometimes they have the information you need.

 

[LouieB]

You need documentation to get SNAP.  I work with the national school lunch programs (NSLP) and we accept people who get SNAP as having Social Security numbers because the state agencies who screen for this ask for that kind of documentation. 

 

As always this argument is stupid.  Of course middle class and rich people never game the system at all.  Sheesh.

 

(As always some on here must get pretty fidgety at Wilco and other concerts when Woody Guthrie, Pete Seeger and other songs dealing with poor people and immigrants get sung.)

 

LouieB

[uncool2pillow]

I gotta say I find it FUCKING ridiculous these reports that both Clintons are pissed at Anthony Weiner.  I can understand Hillary being pissed for her former employee and friend, Huma Abedin, Weiner's wife.  She can probably provide great counsel to Abedin having endured her own husband's escapades.  

 

Bill?  He's got no reason or room for outrage.  His own failings were worse than what we know of Weiner's.  Sexting people who aren't your wife is one thing, and wouldn't end well for me, personally.  But engaging in actual sexual relations is a whole other ballgame.