General Political Thread

[Good Old Neon]

Assuming he was carrying a concealed weapon properly and legally, his firearm would not have been brandished or displayed if he wasn't in a life-threatening situation. That would make both the attorney's statement and the police department's statement accurate and truthful.

 

Are you George Zimmerman?

[Hixter]

Are you George Zimmerman?

No, but I'm quite familiar with the laws concerning concealed carry.

[Atticus]

I have never claimed to prove his motive.

Which just proves he wanted to push a narrative rather than look at facts.

[Good Old Neon]

Ok - but you also seem to have a clairvoyants' ability to read his intentions. 

 

"Assuming he was carrying a concealed weapon properly and legally, his firearm would not have been brandished or displayed if he wasn't in a life-threatening situation."

 

Considering his increasingly violent past and present behavior, I'm a lot less likely to give him the benefit of the doubt. For a "law abiding citizen", he certainly finds himself in handcuffs quite often.

[Atticus]

I am taking the First Lady's statement in the context of Syria. You are taking it out of context and applying it to wars in general

This is what the tweet said:

 

"Obama to NBC: 'if you ask Michelle, "Do we-- do we want to be involved in another war?" The answer is no.'"

 

It was the article and the headline to the article you linked to that said "Michelle Obama Opposes Syria Strike"

 

She may very well have been referring to Syria, but that's not what the tweet says. It's what the article says.

[Hixter]

Ok - but you also seem to have a clairvoyants' ability to read his intentions. 

The cops say he didn't have a gun and so does the complainant. What's so difficult to figure out?

[Tweedling]

This thread has me dizzy.

[KevinG]

This thread has me dizzy.

 

I for one wish George Zimmerman would sit back and be quite.  You would think he would be.  

 

But this incident, compounded with others in his past kinda shows that George was not as innocent as he claimed to be.  I fully believe that Martin was assaulting Zimmerman and the shooting was justified.  However I believe that Zimmerman provoked Martin into a confrontation.  This current action adds more fuel to that theory.    

[bjorn_skurj]

My take on Zimmerman is that he's a pathetic schlub who let the power of carrying a weapon really get to his head. He's a walking example of how NOT to comport one's self while armed.

[IRememberDBoon]

 Trayvon Martin's death was tragic but I don't understand why it has such a higher level of outrage than say, the child shot while in it's stroller, the child shot while in the woman's arms, the recent child killed in a drive by, etc., etc. I don't get it. They are at least equally outrageous to Zimmerman/Martin. Personally, I am far more outraged by those tragedies than by Martin's death.

 

Of course, I have an idea about what accounts for the difference...

ummm because the guy who did it is sitting at home eating bon bons???

 

oh wait maybe hes not

 

https://soundcloud.com/deadstate/9-11-call-made-by-shellie

 

 

 

 

 

The cops say he didn't have a gun and so does the complainant. What's so difficult to figure out?

So he couldn't have hidden the gun?

[John Smith]

US Troop levels projected to hit 43k in February, so 20K by December is probably incorrect. Also levels will not hit 0 as we will leave behind an unknown number of troops for an unknown time period.  Very Similar to Iraq.

 

The How Obama Lost Iraq push: Krauthammer

 

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-11-03/opinions/35282026_1_sadr-city-iraqi-sunnis-shiite-prime-minister-nouri

 

Santorum,

 

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/23/santorum-obama-lost-the-war-in-iraq/

 

Weekly Standard,

 

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/iraq-lost_614757.html

 

Bachmann,

 

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/oct/31/michele-bachmann/michele-bachmann-says-us-spent-805-billion-iraq-lo/

 

McCain

 

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0508/McCain_says_Obama_has_long_wanted_to_surrender_in_Iraq.html

 

Generic right wing site...

 

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/arnold-ahlert/obamas-iraq-surrender-brings-mideast-meltdown/

 

Salon tries to refute the argument, but people who believe it don't read Salon

 

http://www.salon.com/2012/02/03/the_snake_oil_of_who_lost_iraq/

 

This stuff was everywhere back then. This line of thought is as moronic as all those Louisiana republicans who hold Obama more responsible for the Katrina response than Bush.  The arithmetic is simple on all issues good = republican, bad = Obama/Democrat. this is why I hate this shite...Spin away.

[IRememberDBoon]

Those are crazy people John and not what Republicans are actually like.

I mean did anyone see the lineup for the Republican debates last year?? Good lawd

 

[John Smith]

George Zimmerman’s attorney, Mark O’Mara, told CNN’s Anderson Cooper in no uncertain terms that Zimmerman was carrying a gun and had it on his person during the confrontation with his wife and father-in-law:

O’MARA: He acted appropriately. He never took the weapon out. The only thing he really did, which is what he told the police, was on the outside of his shirt, he made sure the gun wasn’t moving anywhere and didn’t do anything because [Zimmerman's father-in-law] Mr. Dean was sort of coming at him, that can sort of be seen in the video.

COOPER: So he had the gun actually on his person not like, in the glove box of his car?

O’MARA: That’s correct.

O’Mara acknowledged “there are some reports that said he didn’t have a gun with him but he did.” He also admitted George Zimmerman smashed an iPad during the confrontation.

[John Smith]

Serious question...How often since say 1950 have democrats pulled the "we want to secede" card when they were not in the majority.

[Doug C]

 Trayvon Martin's death was tragic but I don't understand why it has such a higher level of outrage than say, the child shot while in it's stroller, the child shot while in the woman's arms, the recent child killed in a drive by, etc., etc. I don't get it. They are at least equally outrageous to Zimmerman/Martin. Personally, I am far more outraged by those tragedies than by Martin's death.

 

Of course, I have an idea about what accounts for the difference...

 

 

ummm because the guy who did it is sitting at home eating bon bons???

 

oh wait maybe hes not

 

https://soundcloud.com/deadstate/9-11-call-made-by-shellie

 

What does that mean? When you heard about the 3 recent senseless shooting deaths of children that I cited above, were you as outraged and emotional as you are about Trayvon Martin? If not, why? Why are you more aggrieved by Trayvon Martin's death than a child shot in a stroller or a child shot while in his sitter's arms, both in broad daylight? Why does a death ruled justifiable by a jury cause more vitriol than the murder of any innocent child, not just the 3 examples I mentioned. Totally unjustifiable homicides with zero ambiguity occur daily. What makes the Zimmerman case the gold standard for "this shall not stand"-esque unrelenting anger?

[IRememberDBoon]

What does that mean? When you heard about the 3 recent senseless shooting deaths of children that I cited above, were you as outraged and emotional as you are about Trayvon Martin? If not, why? Why are you more aggrieved by Trayvon Martin's death than a child shot in a stroller or a child shot while in his sitter's arms, both in broad daylight? Why does a death ruled justifiable by a jury cause more vitriol than the murder of any innocent child, not just the 3 examples I mentioned. Totally unjustifiable homicides with zero ambiguity occur daily. What makes the Zimmerman case the gold standard for "this shall not stand"-esque unrelenting anger?

 

BECAUSE HE GOT AWAY AND THE RIGHT DEMONIZED THE VICTIM!! GOOD GOD DO YOU REALLY NOT UNDERSTAND???

[IRememberDBoon]

[Atticus]

bin laden was a big football fan?

[Hixter]

So he couldn't have hidden the gun?

That's pretty much the point with concealed carry.

 

Serious question...How often since say 1950 have democrats pulled the "we want to secede" card when they were not in the majority.

I can remember people from both parties talking about secession every time the other party wins the White House. That's all it is, really: talk. I don't think anyone has ever been serious about it.

 

 

BECAUSE HE GOT AWAY AND THE RIGHT DEMONIZED THE VICTIM!!

He "got away" because a jury found him not guilty and it could be argued that any demonization was a reaction to the beatification of Trayvon Martin by the press, politicians and celebrities.

[Hixter]

His artwork has improved a lot over the last few years!

 

[Hixter]

A little bit of good news:

 

 

COLORADO SPRINGS — Two Colorado Democrats who provided crucial support for a slate of tough new gun-control laws were voted out of office on Tuesday in a recall vote widely seen as a test of popular support for gun restrictions after mass shootings in a Colorado movie theater and a Connecticut elementary school.

 

The election, which came five months after the United States Senate defeated several gun restrictions, handed another loss to gun-control supporters. It also gave moderate lawmakers across the country a warning about the political risks of voting for tougher gun laws.

 

The recall elections ousted two Democratic state senators, John Morse and Angela Giron, and replaced them with Republicans. Both defeats were painful for Democrats – Mr. Morse’s because he had been Senate president, and Ms. Giron’s because she represented a heavily Democratic, working-class slice of southern Colorado.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/11/us/colorado-lawmaker-concedes-defeat-in-recall-over-gun-law.html

[Mr. Heartbreak]

What makes the Zimmerman case the gold standard for "this shall not stand"-esque unrelenting anger?

What makes Zimmerman the gold standard for unrelenting anger is Zimmerman himself. Maybe if the guy just took a break and kept himself out of the press, the anger and sadness would fade like any other grieving situation. Instead, the guy keeps popping up like a bad penny. Going to the gun factory and smiling while he shakes hands with the manufacturer of the exact same gun he used to kill Trayvon Martin, with a big shit-eating grin on his face? WTF? Speeding tickets, threatening his ex and his father-in-law? Being pulled over in Texas with a gun in his glove compartment? Seriously? I am dying to know what the guy has to do to get his defenders to turn on him, at least a hair. Shoot an infant in the face? Damn, it must be hard having to get up every day and say nice things about this sociopath. The fact that he is in my state makes me want to buy a gun to protect myself from him.

[John Smith]

I can remember people from both parties talking about secession every time the other party wins the White House. That's all it is, really: talk. I don't think anyone has ever been serious about it.

No one is serious about it except in the states where they are voting to secede and form their own states like Maryland and Colorado recently. I used to live in a portion of Cook county where the leaders constantly talked about forming their own county. Texas regularly brings up a mythical outside the constitution ability to break off from the US (completely ignoring the articles that rue admitted them after the war and, well the constitution) and these are not man on the street positions, this is Republican Party leadership. So help me out and give me examples of democrats calling for secession from their states or the union. Heck prior to the last few years I can't even remember republican leadership staking out such positions except on very local levels, like the above mentioned Lincoln county for Illinois.

[KevinG]

I can remember people from both parties talking about secession every time the other party wins the White House. That's all it is, really: talk. I don't think anyone has ever been serious about it.

 

Really you remember it form both parties?  Maybe it is the age of the internet where every thing is magnified and tweeted and debated and so on and so forth, and the fact it was 13 years ago. But when GWB one in a pretty contentious election in 2000 I don't recall anyone calling for secession.   Democrats where pissed but I don't think anyone called for secession.  

 

Rick Perry, the governor of Texas and a former presidential candidate, at least considered or mentioned the talk of secession.  http://blog.chron.com/texaspolitics/2009/04/perry-says-texas-can-leave-the-union-if-it-wants-to/.   Which for just talk is pretty brazen and stupid.  

[Hixter]

Speeding tickets

Blame the media. It's not newsworthy.

 

 

 

threatening his ex and his father-in-law?

It's a contentious divorce. That said, he was released and not charged and the police reported that his wife's story didn't seem to match the facts.

 

 

 

 Being pulled over in Texas with a gun in his glove compartment? Seriously?

100% legal (and encouraged by Texas lawmen) in this state.

 

So help me out and give me examples of democrats calling for secession from their states or the union. 

Let me Google that for you:

 

http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2012/11/commentary-democrats-spoke-of-secession-in-2004-after-bush-was-re-elected/