LouieB

OMG...to say Obama is out of touch with black people is ALSO just ignoring reality. Barack worked in a community organization on the south side of Chicago, worked with black churches, got blasted for being part of a black church which is very popular, lives in a integrated neighborhood, is married to a black woman, etc. etc. Now someone has just gone off the tracks completely... bobob, come to Chicago and I will get YOU in touch with black people. Come see Chicago and find out what life is like here.... LouieB

It may well be racist (see the Washington/Epton example above), but simply voting FOR someone because they are black is not racist in and of itself. bobob, I am not trying to insult you or talk down to you and yea, I would love to think everything happens in a racial vacuum, but it doesn't and it hasn't. Maybe a hundred (or maybe less) years from now, when the civil rights movement is a memory and lynchings are a memory and everyone is so fucking color blind, yea okay I can dig that. But while alot of progress has been made in race relations, things aren't perfect. We just went through an

well by siding with bobbob and against me is really not doing yourself a service either. I am NOT condoning voting for someone simply because he or she is something (however look at Hillary supporters who voted for McCain, what was THAT about) may appear wrong, but it is not racism. Not allowing someone to vote for someone who is African American (or letting them vote at all) IS racism. I am not saying you are out of touch, but you could simply say....voting for someone because they are of one ethnic group or another isn't right. Don't you think I agree with that? Yes I do!!! I religiou

Fuckin Bigot!!! Back on the real subject, even though I said I was done.....the fact African Americans came out to vote for Barack as opposed to coming out for John Kerry does not mean they are racist....sorry....I voted for both Kerry and Obama, which means I am a bigot against Republicans I suppose..... LouieB

I added something to my last post....and now I am done with this. I have no idea how I get drawn into this conversation which is clearly going nowhere. Someone other than me, with a clearer head needs to explain what racism is, I can't do it. ( Jews voting for a Jew in an election is NOT racism either.....or Irish voting for Irish or Italians voting for Italians.....it may be dumb on some occasions when the candidate isn't qualified, but it isn't racism either.....people get to make those individual decisions....) LouieB

Forsure...... Had Alan Keyes been running for President, people (African Americans included, but not racist right wingers...) would have stayed away in droves. This election was NOT exclusively about race, but race was a factor. That is NOT racism. Look, if you want to say that race was/is a factor in people participating in an election then okay this is racism, but it is clearly ignoring the entire "real" history of race discrimination. There isn't much else than can be said. Jim Crow laws, poll taxes, slavery, the KKK, those things were racist. Expressing yourself by voting for self i

I am totally confused.....because actually they are. To disassociate this election from history and what it means to those who see history in racial/political terms just isn't connecting with what is going on. So that you don't think I am being a douchebag or arrogant prick (not just you), but do you know and or work with African Americans? If so just ask one. Coming from me (being a half brain dead white old white guy) this doesn't maybe mean much, but to your (and this goes for bobbob too) non-white associates it means tons. Racism?? That is NOT racism. You are mixing apples and ora

It is Bill Ayers mug shot from 1968....not a musician for a change...it is sort of a post election fuck you to the McCain Palin ticket.... LouieT

Good for you.... That's too bad...but not sure what sadsack bitchery means... LouieB

I am not sure if you are supporting me or not today, but in any event what I wrote above is the non-dickwade response to whatever is said. I am pretty much done with this. But if people want to ignore the history of slavery, racial segregation, racial dicrimination and the entire civil rights movement, I guess there isn't much to be done for them. Oh and one last thing...(Columbo moment..) I know I took a ton of heat here for the half serious suggestion that Jeff Tweedy and Wilco suppporting Obama was important. IN the middle of the night last night I also realized that Wilco DID help Oba

I think I had a fairly rational convo with bobbob in the middle of the night last night, so there seems no reason to yell at me, even though I do suspect there was reason yesterday.... I am going to continue to maintain that Barack's racial make-up (at my house we toasted his Celtic background as well) wasn't a major part of the campaign per se, but it was a major part of the reason that many people supported him. Not to mention the fact that he handled himself so beautifully and McCain (also of celtic background) came off as a nut case part of the time and allowed Palin to call Obama a soc

If you got to this thread late, Rosie (formerly Tweedy's Gurl) has a regular show that is on Wednesday at 2 AM. Yea, AM....Here is the link to the station and the stream seems to work pretty well. I was up for last nights show and since she has heavily raided my CD collection she plays alot of stuff I like. It is sort of a mix of VC type stuff, with some blues and other odds and ends. She also subs at 2 PM -230 PM on Katie's show, which is more classic rock type stuff. So if you can't handle the middle of the night stuff, check that half hour out instead. LouieB

Actually here is the tour schedule and It has been on the road for awhile. It is on to Dublin and London after this. LouieB

Brian Henneman... LouieB

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Ending with some blues and some hot jazz.....I am going back to bed... LouieB

renic reminded me that the original scroll of On The Road is at Columbia College here in Chicago through the end of November. I checked it out yesterday evening and this is really worth a look. When I got there they had just re-rolled it so that the end was showing, the end that was eaten by the dog at the end of book 4. Actually seeing this after hearing about it my whole life was pretty moving. I understand this has been exhibited in San Fransico, but not sure where else it is going to be exhibited. Also with the exhibit where old and new versions of the books and translations from aroun

Slim is better than none and as I said early it has brought out a ton of people who haven't even voted with an regularity because Barack is not simply another politician or another president. LouieB

Exactly....are you an insomniac or what?? Check out Rosie's radio show... LouieB

SAlly timms singing When the Roses Bloom again..... LouieB

Well see this is why we have a significant difference of opinion. This is NOT what divides us at all. This is what unites us. We have come to the point where the majority of americans are willing to consider and actually vote for a person of color for president. We need to dwell on this for a time, to dismiss it so easily is both unfair and diminishes the accomplishment. He is not now nor will he ever be just "another president". George W Bush was just another president, but Barack Obama is not. LouieB

Little Milton...yea..okay... LouieB

Stop over thinking this already okay? I am willing to stop hassling you, but the REASON you had chills was because this was an historic moment. You know that don't you?? Go look at the pics posted that I was commenting on. This may seem like ancient history to you, but it isn't. I am simply not that old (even though jen thinks I am closer to her age than I am..), but I do remember this stuff as a child. Sure, it passed through my poor addled brain that Jesse Jackson was crying because it wasn't HIM up there, but that simply wasn't it and it isn't it for Oprah and it isn't it for those

The Blasters and Dave Alvin are some of my all time favorite music. Leonard Cohen is a bit of acquired taste. I think this is T-Bone Walker...or someone sounding like him... LouieB

Once again you are going to think I am an arrogant prick...but yea it is; because it divorces what happened toally from history. If you want to divorce yourself from history then he is just another polititician. the entire problem with this thread is the lack of historical perspective on his candidacy...(sorry about the poor spelling it is the middle of the night...) It is the same issue I have with jc4pres and all the rest of you guys who want to diminish this moment (even though I was acccused of that...). This IS important and only people with a lack of perspective are going to miss it.