Synthesizer Patel

no, i'm not talking about that. i'm talking about the copy i've got, i wanted to know it's value . . .

hmmm, well it's interesting. the 2 properly "listenable" songs are 6868 & House with No Mirrors - mainly cos Gruff sings on those 2. it's cool, but he better release a proper solo album this year and a new Super Furry Animals would be nice too! is the Seperado Soundtrack gonna come out when the film/dvd does? Maybe that will count as a solo album.

that is what it said (kind of) in the review i read. although that is perhaps taking it too far, i do think the clips i've seen aren't dreamlike at all, they just look like hollywood action scenes - the clip they keep showing with loads of stuff blowing up (after he's told kitty pryde - or whatever her name is - "that she's really asleep on a work bench!" or something like that, and things go crazy. ) just looks like this advert (below). actually, if anything that ad is more weird and dreamlike. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjaCpffby8A i need to stop slaggin this film off, until i see i

how much is a normal (slightly beaten up - scratched, but does not skip) white album worth? the original version i mean - mono, uk etc...

i think i saw dreamscape when i was probably too young to be watching it. david patrick kelly frightened me a fair bit in the dream sequences - obviously the budget is lower, but the acting is probably better and it's just a very cool film. one thing about inception (this is from seeing a making of it on tv) - but who exactly ever has dreams like that? michael bay perhaps, but normal people? i think you'd only have dreams like that if you a cgi guy working on the latest hollywood popcorn hit, and didn't take enough time to relax before you went to bed.

obviously i do need to say it again. i did not say ALL, i said most. some people that sound like Dylan are fantastic, but many or most are not - he's just lucky that lots of people are influenced by him so even with a 90% fail rate - there are still some good ones. where the ALL comes in is where i said that all the people that sound like The Beach Boys are good.

i'm not talking about Brian Wilson, i'm talking about the Beach Boys - it's a Beach Boys song just like when they collaborate with other lyricists on Pet Sounds etc... Wilson and Van Dyke Parks sat down together at the piano (in his dog shit filled sandbox) and wrote it. even then, it still takes all the other Beach Boys recording it to make it what it is. also, one last time - i was not saying people aren't influenced by Bob Dylan or The Beatles or whoever i said, i'm not even saying some of those people that sound like/are influenced by them aren't really really great. i was saying that pe

Actually, if that is a joke - Jan and Dean have two fantastic baroque pop albums "Carnival of Sound" (which was unreleased, but is out now) and "Save For A Rainy Day" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uInJQO1NiDI yes, it's not bob dylan lyrically, or even close, but i think it's great! Louie B said Fleet Foxes as a joke, and White Winter Hymnal seems to be a lot of people's favourite from the album - and interestingly that is the most Beach Boyseque of all! coincidence? i think not! modern bands that have beach boys influences - Animal Collective, Super Furry Animals, Beach House, Grizzly

yeah, well like a rolling stone is clearly more complex lyrically, but nothing really stands up to it in that way. you won't find tom waits, neil young, the beatles etc... matching that in that sense either. what about surf's up? i mean, i don't think the lyrics are as good as many of dylans, but it's not childish either. A diamond necklace played the pawn Hand in hand some drummed along, oh To a handsome man and baton A blind class aristocracy Back through the op'ra glass you see The pit and the pendulum drawn Columnated ruins domino Canvass the town and brush the backdrop Are you sleep

well ok. we're never gonna agree on this. i think comparing california girls with like a rolling stone is not really fair. if you compare god only knows to like a rolling stone then at least you're talking about what a lot of people would call their best songs. what are the bad bands that sound like the beach boys?

what i meant was not that their aren't Dylanesque people or Beatlesque - what i meant was that those Dylanesque & Beatlesque people are 90% of the time bad, whereas i've still yet to hear Beach Boysesque music that is not good. that's what i meant by that. i don't really get the childish thing, i mean i could say Neil Young's lyrics are equally naive most of the time (written down on the page) - it's just a case of whether they express what they want. The Beach Boys aren't as complex as Dylan, but that's not a grown-up thing, and it's interesting that Dylan moved further away from politi

i think when you're talking about this, i can understand it from their earlier work - yes their early stuff has all those influences you said. but, by the time you get to Today! and Summer Days (Summer Nights), and then on to Pet Sounds they've gone well beyond those influences you mentioned - or maybe they just started using more influences like classical music and jazz etc... i don't know - but, nobody else was doing it like them. Also, one thing you can always say about The Beach Boys - when anyone ever says that a band "sounds like the beach boys" you know it's gonna be a good thing. You c

i've never seen Brainstorm, looks like it'd be cool though. i was trying to think of my favourite dream sequences in films, but i don't know if i should hi-jack this thread, even-though it is kind of related.

HEY! I've been banging on about this a few times in this thread. Finally, someone else that has seen DREAMSCAPE! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCrtOAC-wsE

i think that if they go with what was mastered and presented as the album (if that ever happened) then it'll be quite a boring tracklist - boring in the sense that it'll be all songs most fans would have heard before, and probably released on other albums etc... however, the fact that they say "rebuilt" kind of implies that they might not be so worried about historical accuracy - which should be a good thing, also it could just mean that they are remixing it. hmmmm

i'm sure cavemen put together some fine harmony groups too. man didn't invent recording equipment and think, "shit we better find something to do on this thing!" obviously everything has it's origins in something else, but also things have their pinnacles too - i view pet sounds to be just that. obviously if you think the beach boys music was just them packaging something they knew would sell then clearly you're never going to see it in any other way than a good cobbling together of influences.

they aren't just singing in harmony though. yes there are lots of other interesting vocal groups, but i can't think of any that do what the beach boys do, certainly not combined with the music. if you know some i'd love to hear their names - i'm always open to new (old) music. nobody does anything in a vacuum, so that doesn't really mean anything - unless you mean that nobody in any field of the arts, science etc... is any more important than anyone else.

yeah, true - but you have to think not many people have been murdered by their fans, however a lot of musicians have died from drugs, drink etc... but it's not stopped modern musicians still doing that.

you only really have to look at what Jeff Tweedy did a while back to that guy that got up on stage and tried to give him a pat on the back/hug - and that was on stage, where it should be pretty normally for that sort of thing to happen - to realize that probably nobody would be that accommodating now.

i think it doesn't fit in thematically with the other songs on the album, but the style and execution is the same as everything else on the album. actually i was also going to say Paris, 1919 by John Cale as one of my flawless albums - and that has Macbeth on it, which fits in thematically with the other songs, but not stylistically - which is why i didn't count it as one of my flawless albums, if that makes any sense?

i love it too. actually, one of the reasons why i said Pet Sounds was flawless (and I also said Ys) was that i own the Pet Sounds Sessions Box Set. i think it's probably the only album i can think of where you can break apart how the songs were put together, and every single bit of it sounds incredible - the vocal arrangements are just from another planet, and the way he built up the music can't really be compared to anything else in popular music. you couldn't do that with beatles albums, or the stones etc... there is just something technically brilliant about every aspect of Pet Sounds. ht

Chrome Dreams is available (well, perhaps - we'll have to wait and see what the actual version sounds like in comparison), but I am pretty positive you haven't got Homegrown. you can get versions of those songs recorded again for other albums or live, and a few originals crop up on Decade, American Stars N Bars, and Hawks and Doves (although they could just as easily not be the same takes as the masters), but there's stuff that not even available at all. I hope Homefires is on the album, and Love/Art Blues - they're 2 that have only been played live, and I'd love studio versions. Actually,

i'm not saying you were rude. it's just if i try and explain why i don't now think i want to see it after reading what's been said in here it will probably come across as rude. as for why i'm here, i just like reading some threads - i occassionally get involved in some american politics threads, and i'm english - doesn't mean i want to move to america or anything.

ha ha. well, i don't know what to say to any of that without being rude.