kidsmoke

The thing that makes me most sad about this whole affair is that there were the first signs of a re-emergence of an independent Lebanese government with a developing popular support calling for increased efforts to shake off the Syrian domination of the last few decades. It would not surprise me if Hezbollah had stepped up it's attacks deliberately in the hope of stirring things up in order to re-establish it's power base and try and get the rest of the Arab world back on side and renew Syrian influence. Israel didn't disappoint them with it's response. Sounds familiar with the campaign of the "Real IRA" in Northern Ireland once the peace process there had started to have an effect. I wish that the Lebanese had been given more outside help earlier. Now all sides are polarised again, and ordinary arabs throughout the Middle East will have that old nagging sympathy for groups like Hezbollah who they see as the only ones standing up to Israel. Not saying that's a good thing of course, but there are always the festering arguments about Israel (and hence by implication the US) ignoring UN resolutions whenever it suits.

Also, The Syrians I met when travelling there were some of the friendliest people I have ever met - invited into houses on the spur of the moment for meals etc. I was also surprised at the number of Jews and Christians I came across in Damascus. Let's not confuse extremists and the twisted leadership of any country with the majority of the population. It is always this ordinary innocent majority who suffer the most. But, as I indicated, Israel doesn't help itself in trying to reach out to this majority, if that is even possible any more?

Well put, Andrew. The line I've bolded made me think of our current situation in the US, and how much I hope that other countries recognize that our leadership (to use the term broadly) is not us as a nation.

Interesting, and sad, timing for this development....

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/26/sharon/index.html

no worries - just glad it's not just me

Yes, but some of us think you may somehow be responsible for it........

Nice review, Paul! Thank you! Sounds like another fine night.

Yeah, noticed that. Seems to be all of us then, that same problem. We'll figure out what's up.

Oh, excellent....

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/26/...s.ap/index.html

"rich hippie" an oxymoron!

What world needs now is ......more COFFEE CREEK!!!!!

-Robert.

Or speaking from a ms. yvon perspective, which also suits me at the moment, more COFFEE!!!

Gadz, I'm draggin' in this heat!

This thread isn't going anywhere good, so I'm closing it. Anyone wanting to have a sincerely civil discussion about the war can start a fresh thread, but personal attacks won't be tolerated.

- kidsmoke

The first post in this thread is the only (and current) list.

Yes, that's correct. Thanks, Oblivious.

They opened for Wilco in Poughkeepsie and kicked a fair amount of ass. As I recall, they sort of sounded like what a band spawned by Blur and Uncle Tupelo would sound like.

That brings back excellent memories, Dan! So you caught that amazing show? Wish I had gotten the chance to meet you!

Wow, that is some really, really terrifying shit. What times we live in!

poortranslator, you made me crack up, even in these scary shit times. I thank you.

I wasn't meaning to offend anyone with my comments and yes, that was a very clinical way of looking at things in the context of a debate. But tell that same woman she has a "clump of cells" that's metastized into a malignant brain tumor and she wouldn't be too happy either. The amount of suffering that cancer alone causes - both the victims and the loved ones / caregivers - is enormous and something I feel we should be devoting all of our resources towards eliminating.

 

Wouldn't it be great to find a cure for this in our lifetimes? And since we're on the topic of kids, wouldn't it be great to raise our kids in a world without cancer or leukemia? I'd happily donate embryos towards that cause and I'm sure my future wife would agree.

 

Again, I'm sorry if I've offended anyone, but this is something I feel strongly about.

I didn't take it personally, Kevin....just understood what ElF was saying there.

I, too, feel strongly that we can't find these cures quickly enough, and that research toward that end needs to be supported.

Can i do "Is that the thanks i get"

please?

Sure, you're added to the claims list.

Dude, El F, I've let your dialogue play out because I think this is a useful discussion, and both of you have put a very human face on why this is such a hot-button issue throughout the country. I appreciate the efforts you have made at restraint & fair play, more than you know. It's hard when an issue is so personal, as this one is on so many levels. El Kevin, I too have suffered a miscarriage, so I understand your point poignantly when you say that telling a woman that all she's lost is a "clump of cells" will not go over well with her.

You've both deepened this discussion and that's a good thing. I ask now that, having exhaustively discussed your positions and opinions with each other, you let the dialogue between the two of you drop, or take it to pm's. It's been pretty heated at times, and it's never particularly useful to have accusations and epithets starting to be tossed about.

Again, thanks for your efforts to be civil (and that goes for everyone who has shown restraint in this thread) and to have an intelligent discussion. I just think the two of you should take a breath and a step back from each other. Thanks in advance.

Reading this thread has served to crystalize and solidify my own thoughts on this issue, as I'm sure it has for others reading it. I already knew basically what I thought, but this discussion has helped me to really examine why I think as I do. It's good that we as a community can talk to each other on this level, and, for the most part, manage to remain civil and even fairly open-minded.

Oh yeah, well my Dimensions go up to "11"!

My brain hurts.

I'm so very sorry to hear this, Kat. So sorry.

let me know how that turns out, i'd love to hear it as i won't be able to make that show.

it's a special day for one of the band members so i'm expecting a short but tight set.

that will also be one of their last shows for a bit while they work on their next album.

 

hopefully some of The M's opening sets for Wilco turn up out there, these guys are one of the better young bands i'm into now along with Dr Dog who will be opening some shows this fall for the the Raconteurs.

I'm also a huge M's fan & would be interested in anybody's live recordings of them. Got lots of other bands' stuff to trade.

my liver is pure as the driven snow. wonder what that would fetch?

I'll give ya $1.95 plus mailing costs. Mine has a little wear and tear.

Andrew Sullivan, a Conservative, is having this debate on his blog. One reader posted this bit of info that I think points this whole idea of funding into practical matters:

 

 

What you don't understand is that when a researcher conducts research, he is often involved with many projects. Therefore it is likely that one who would engage in embryonic stem cell research, funded by a state or private organization, will also be participating in research funded by federal agencies such as the NIH. The problem with this ban means that none of the researchers implements funded with federal money can ever be involved/associated with research funded by other means. This includes the lab space, every beaker, piece of paper, pencil, etc.! This is not practical in the slightest. That means that a researcher, say here at UCSF, who wants to tap into the money allocated by the state of California for stem cell research, would have to have a completely different facility whereby NOTHING funded with federal dollars can enter, and that likely includes the researcher himself. In academic medicine this is impossible.

The implications of this are mind-boggling and deeply sad.

July 2007, right?

Sorry all, but with the site in a state of flux at the moment, this is obviously not a priority. That's not to say it won't eventually happen, but we need to be on a solid footing before we undertake "projects" such as this one.

Just hang in there.

You can't force the willing. This research has wide support across the country. This is acting against the will of the people.

Strongly agreed, Derek. I'm so tired of this goofball speaking so badly for my entire country.

I have a moral objection to the government using most of my tax dollars to kill people who

have actually been born, while failing to provide for citizens who lack the most basic survival

needs.

 

The only thing that gives me any satisfaction in relation to this moron sitting at the helm is that

karma's got him in its sights.

It helps my broken heart to think this way, Tracy, so thank you. So many people and their families suffering, while Bush claims the moral high ground.

Play nice, kiddos. Remember that on a message board you can't hear peoples' tones, so it's easy to take offense where none was intended.

Cortez, hope you loved your first Wilco show.

I agree with it being way too early for there to be a book about wilco. however, you're a bit off on your assumption that he was trying to sell a lot of copies around the time of the film.

I Am Trying to Break Your Heart (2002)

 

 

Wilco : Learning How to Die by Greg Kot (Paperback - Jun 15, 2004)

details, details

 

minutiae

No, he's right though......the film and the book weren't particularly close together, and I don't think Kot was trying to ride Sam Jones's coattails....I think it just seemed to Kot that a book about Wilco had an audience at that time, since YHF had heightened their profile.

Kot is a fan and I think in that we were lucky, because he wasn't some "Tiger Beat" type outsider trying to make a quick buck...he was a genuine admirer trying to tell their story accurately.

purple umbrella and a fifty cent hat misses cool rides out in her aged Cadillac

I was just asked if I could provide some bootlegs for his research.