Vacant Horizon

it's oboe maybe.

what station were you listening to? been listening to oregon the last few days and i gotta say that my favorite thing about them is towner. the rest sounds a bit cheezy and windham hill-ish. that soprano sax just screams kenny G to me

i have live at yoshi's which is really nice.

i like oregon too. pretty mellow, but a enough going on to make it interesting. i really want to get into more ralph towner. my post about ecm being a guilty pleasure was kind of a joke. i really like metheny's records from that label. he can be a little cheezy, but damn the guys melodies just move my soul.

hellborg was actually the bass player on mclaughlin's vishnu redux in 1984. that would've been a pretty good album if not for the cheezy synths! all those guys just couldn't help themselves in the 80s.

hellborg is a great bass player in the vein of jaco. he has done a lot of projects with sipe. the best is called Temporal Analogues. its a trio with shawn lane. lane is a metal shredder. its just two long jams. they have it on emusic.

it's really more of a bonus EP that gives us a peak at what could have been. was it recorded in the 80s? if so, great sound for that era. sounds 70s to me. i wish mclaughlin would do something like this before he dies. a phat power trio of fusion with jonas hellborg on bass and maybe jeff sipe on drums

mixing/mastering may be an issue with rising-magic, however, production is also an issue. terry's song was done by bruce by himself in jersey from what i understand and was not beholden to obrien. it sounds so much more immediate. so that begs the question, how much control do producers have on bruce and other artists? i think that a lot of artists have no idea about production and sound. i have met several artists who didn't have a clue about production/mixing etc. and had no idea why their albums sounded like shit! (in some cases, they didn't even have a clue that their album sounded lik

yeah, they used to play it in the bathrooms at a former employer. it was fun when they would drop in a little santana or steely dan;)

will check it out! jan garbarek is an ECM sax player and his stuff gets a little smooth. but nothing like WJZZ, the local smooth station.

to me the dividing factor is skill. training, skill, talent all seem to move me these days. funk/jam bands that sound okay are a dime a dozen. then you got a totally trained/talented/skilled group like mmw and its 'miles beyond'. having knowledge of theory, improve, etc. really sets mmw apart.

my sense is that there's no argument. they, like scofield, just kinda found some following with the jamband scene. been meaning to check out Tonic for years! kind of a joke. a little of ECM has a bit of a smooth jazz feel to me.

tv?

this sounds very interesting.

well there's the rub. i am into jazz. not funk or jamband stuff. some of these bands cross over, but the stuff that originates from jazz resonates most with me at this point. i would count mmw jazz, even though they have a following in the dying jamband circuit. incidently, i also like ECM. is that a guilty pleasure?

yes, amendola is on my list. and i gotta check out nels stuff more carefully!

yeah, i like potter's composed melodies, but the underground stuff gets a bit jammy for me. same with dave douglas on the composition front. Mehldau is great, but i don't have anything by him. he's on my list. Jeff Parker is okay too. i need to get more into him. he just sounds like tortoise to me so i need to get a bit more open minded.

no problem and sorry for being a bit of a dick

i just hope it has more of a live sound than the last few records. brenden obrien tends to overproduce. magic had so great songs on it that went past production, but most of it sounded like it was playing from a tin can 5 miles away.

thanks. i knew those dudes had other gigs. the drummer is in bad plus, no? thanks also for all the other suggestions. no pun intended, but my miles, vishnu, return to forever, years coincided with my jam band days back in the 90s. i am kinda done with that. i am really more interested in melody and exploring in the trad set up. maybe with rhodes added in. so i got some stuff to check out! for some reason frisell makes me sick to my stomach sometimes. seriously. i have spent time with his live album from 91, gone, just like a train, and good dog/bad dog. he's still on my list

for me, i usually drop in a negative opinion when i am unconsciously projecting rage about my mother. no joke.

the playing is a bit sloppy with page. i haven't heard anything else from that era, so nothing to compare it too.

i'm kinda in a jazz phase and getting into some of the new post-bop stuff out there: chris potter, dave douglas, bad plus, MMW, happy apple. all of it blowing my mind and i can't believe i have the attention span for it. so, anybody into this or into other things i need to know about?

dude, good call. another favorite moment is at the end with plant's howl fades away into a beautiful beginning to the rain song. awesome! c

OMG this is gonna be so great!! prolly gonna be the best of 09. more out of tune falsetto singing. that's all you need to be an indie god these days.