Sir Stewart Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 I read somewhere that Dick Radatz's corpse is suiting up for today's game. Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 They are the only really good offense in the NL. But they have no startin rotation. They do have a great bullpen though. Whatever bro. I love how you so casually dismiss entire teams with these throw-away lines. And then pump up your team with the same ridiculousness. Outside of Dontrelle, who on the Marlins staff has anyone in the NL quaking in their boots? Nolasco? Come on. You've had a nice run. A really nice run. But get real. 130 games of this season has shown that the Mets have good enough starting pitching to be almost 20 games ahread in the division... the same division with the Marlins. Anything can happen in a short series, but come on. Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Whatever bro. I love how you so casually dismiss entire teams with these throw-away lines. And then pump up your team with the same ridiculousness. Outside of Dontrelle, who on the Marlins staff has anyone in the NL quaking in their boots? Nolasco? Come on. You've had a nice run. A really nice run. But get real. 130 games of this season has shown that the Mets have good enough starting pitching to be almost 20 games ahread in the division... the same division with the Marlins. Anything can happen in a short series, but come on. Josh Johnson does have the best ERA in the NL... Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Josh Johnson does have the best ERA in the NL... I dont think anyone in the Mets lineup fears Josh Johnson. But I could be wrong. Either way, I am just stunned by statements like "the Mets have no starting pitching" and that the Sox's season is Francona's fault. And still, in a short series I'll take Pedro, Glavine, El Duque over Dontrelle, Johnson and Nolasco. Like I said before, anything can happen in a short series, but I think its silly to say the Mets have no starting pitching. The Mets are 16.5 games up for a reason. There's an old adage in baseball that says you are never as good as you look when you are hot and never as bad as you look when you are cold. Its somewhere in the middle. The Marlins are hot right now, no doubt. But lets be reasonable. Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 So, who wants Wells? Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 I dont think anyone in the Mets lineup fears Josh Johnson. But I could be wrong. Either way, I am just stunned by statements like "the Mets have no starting pitching" and that the Sox's season is Francona's fault. And still, in a short series I'll take Pedro, Glavine, El Duque over Dontrelle, Johnson and Nolasco. Like I said before, anything can happen in a short series, but I think its silly to say the Mets have no starting pitching. The Mets are 16.5 games up for a reason. There's an old adage in baseball that says you are never as good as you look when you are hot and never as bad as you look when you are cold. Its somewhere in the middle. The Marlins are hot right now, no doubt. But lets be reasonable. Hey, I'm with you on this one. What I do know is neither of my teams is likely to make the playoffs, largely because of pitching - and the importance of pitching is certainly magnified in the playoffs. I think bobbo just likes to push buttons. Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 So, who wants Wells? I'll take him on the Mets. that guys a gamer. The Mets and Sox need to team up to beat the Yanks anyway. I just looked up the stats. The Mets team era this year so far (according to ESPN) is 4.09. Tied with the Padres for best in the NL. Now, I know bobbob is going to say that includes relief pitching. But I am not savvy enough to figure out starting pitching ERA. What I can tell you is that starters and relievers on the Mets give up less runs than all other teams in the NL. Including the Marlins (4.30). http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/aggreg...amp;season=2006 Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 I think bobbo just likes to push buttons. I just closed my eyes and pushed your avatar's buttons. Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied lightning Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 wells is a gamer, but remember his back went out on himin a World Series game. Injury prone. Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 I read somewhere that Dick Radatz's corpse is suiting up for today's game.I wouldn't mind seeing Red Sox ballgirl Kelly Barons play tonight. Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 I wouldn't mind seeing Red Sox ballgirl Kelly Barons play tonight.Whenever I'm watching a game in a bar and she shows up onscreen, I'm thankful the sound is down so I can't hear RemDawg drooling over her "talent". Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Hey look at that, Curt Schilling's 3,000 career strikeout. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted August 30, 2006 Author Share Posted August 30, 2006 I dont think anyone in the Mets lineup fears Josh Johnson. But I could be wrong. Either way, I am just stunned by statements like "the Mets have no starting pitching" and that the Sox's season is Francona's fault. And still, in a short series I'll take Pedro, Glavine, El Duque over Dontrelle, Johnson and Nolasco. Like I said before, anything can happen in a short series, but I think its silly to say the Mets have no starting pitching. The Mets are 16.5 games up for a reason. There's an old adage in baseball that says you are never as good as you look when you are hot and never as bad as you look when you are cold. Its somewhere in the middle. The Marlins are hot right now, no doubt. But lets be reasonable. Pedro has been injured all year, so there is no saying how good he will be when he comes back. Glavine's career was feared over because of this circulation thing, and El Duque is somewhere between 37 and 49 years old. Dontrelle has been the Marlins worst starter this year. That says quite a bit, as if he can find his stride, they are going to be really tough to beat in a short series. The Marlins starters have a 4.22 era, good for 3rd in the majors, while the Mets are 13th with a 4.66. So almost a half run difference between them. Of course, the mets do have a 1.5 run lead in bullpen ERA. Also, the Marlins top 3 would be Dontrelle, Johnson, and Scott Olsen. Scott Olsen is a big bulldog of a lefty who strikes out almost 1 per inning. I'd put those three up against almost anyone in the league. The story of the Marlins season has been that age doesn't mean anything. They are the youngest team in the majors, but one of the most talented as well, so their experience doesn't matter, really. Talent is talent is talent. The Mets have lots of talent, but they have much more talent in their offense. It's easy to win a bunch of games when your offense averages almost a full run more than you give up. But, as the White Sox lst year proved, in a short series the best offense doesn't always win. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted August 30, 2006 Author Share Posted August 30, 2006 Whatever bro. I love how you so casually dismiss entire teams with these throw-away lines. And then pump up your team with the same ridiculousness. Outside of Dontrelle, who on the Marlins staff has anyone in the NL quaking in their boots? Nolasco? Come on. You've had a nice run. A really nice run. But get real. 130 games of this season has shown that the Mets have good enough starting pitching to be almost 20 games ahread in the division... the same division with the Marlins. Anything can happen in a short series, but come on. And how can you refute that statement? If they Mets had a great rotation, would they have so actively pursued Dontrelle or Zito (Or Livan Hernadez, or David Wells, or any other number of pitchers they've pursued). And can you blame someone for being a rabid fan of their team? If you don't overplay your team's strengths and downplay their weaknesses, you aren't a real fan. Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 It's easy to win a bunch of games when your offense averages almost a full run more than you give up. But, as the White Sox lst year proved, in a short series the best offense doesn't always win. An argument that the Mets are not built well for the playoffs but that the Marlins are is a different and more sensible argument. I agree that a good offense and mediocre pitching is a much more valuable asset in a 162 game season. Whereas, 3 stud pitchers in a short series is much more important. I suppose time will tell if Johnson or Olsen are as good as advertised. The Marlins are certainly peaking at the right time. Although, I would say that the Mets havent exactly been losing a ton of ground... Were the stats that I linked to wrong then? I have no idea what the right #s are, but the ESPN link I found says that the Mets are tied for the best ERA in the NL. Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied lightning Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 oy Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 And how can you refute that statement? If they Mets had a great rotation, would they have so actively pursued Dontrelle or Zito (Or Livan Hernadez, or David Wells, or any other number of pitchers they've pursued). How can I refute that statement? Hello? Look at the standings. The Marlins are 16.5 games back. Are you kidding me? Your statement was that the Mets have no starting pitching. Do I think they have the best staff in baseball? No. I never said they had great pitching. But I think they have a very good starting pitching staff. That staff keeps them in games, gets them to the 6th or 7th and allows the team to play to its strengths. Its relief and its offense. The fact that the Mets went after other picthers only proves the one thing that no one can argue. That you can never have too much pitching. Why should the team rest with what they have if they could get Dontrelle or Oswalt or Zito? By your rationale, you would seem to be saying that the Marlins, with their great staff, wouldnt want someone like Oswalt or Zito. Is that right? You prefer Olsen or JOhnson to Oswalt or Zito going in game 2? oy I do have to admit that when the Marlins beat the Mets in the playoffs this year, that I may never be able to show my face here again. Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied lightning Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 with the amount of people rooting against the Marlins, they got no shot at winning Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted August 30, 2006 Author Share Posted August 30, 2006 An argument that the Mets are not built well for the playoffs but that the Marlins are is a different and more sensible argument. I agree that a good offense and mediocre pitching is a much more valuable asset in a 162 game season. Whereas, 3 stud pitchers in a short series is much more important. I suppose time will tell if Johnson or Olsen are as good as advertised. The Marlins are certainly peaking at the right time. Although, I would say that the Mets havent exactly been losing a ton of ground... Were the stats that I linked to wrong then? I have no idea what the right #s are, but the ESPN link I found says that the Mets are tied for the best ERA in the NL. The Mets Bullpen greatly inflates their team ERA. It lowers their starters era by almost .6 (Their starters ERA is 4.66, while overall it is 4.09). The Marlins team ERA is 4.30, their starters era is 4.22, and their Bullpen is 4.45. Johnson and Olsen are both projected to be number 2 starters with the possibility for being a number one. Nolasco projects as a 3, and the 5th starter, Anibal Sanchez, has been said to have Number 1 stuff. So this isn't a bunch of fluke guys. These are studs. Link to post Share on other sites
parisisstale Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 I don't care if El Duque's 84, he could pitch for me any post-season. At least you know that he's gonna battle, no matter what his stuff's like. Not saying that rookie pitchers can't handle the pressure in October, but you never know. Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 The Mets Bullpen greatly inflates their team ERA. It lowers their starters era by almost .6 (Their starters ERA is 4.66, while overall it is 4.09). The Marlins team ERA is 4.30, their starters era is 4.22, and their Bullpen is 4.45. I have to admit. You crack me up. I am almost hoping for a MetsvMarlins series now. But jeez bro. You realize that your statement above is ignoring the fact that the Mets have a better team ERA than the Marlins. Isnt that all that matters? Who cares which pitchers give up the runs? Dont you want your team giving up less runs altogether per game? The team that gives up the less runs per 9 innings wins. Too funny. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted August 30, 2006 Author Share Posted August 30, 2006 I have to admit. You crack me up. I am almost hoping for a MetsvMarlins series now. But jeez bro. You realize that your statement above is ignoring the fact that the Mets have a better team ERA than the Marlins. Isnt that all that matters? Who cares which pitchers give up the runs? Dont you want your team giving up less runs altogether per game? The team that gives up the less runs per 9 innings wins. Too funny. I understand that, but I also think (and it's been proven) that bullpens are the least consistent part of any team. Plus, the Mets lost Duaner Sanchez, who was a main part of their bullpen. Again, I'll admit I'm the biggest homer in the world. I'm not trying to say I'm not. Everyone overlooks their team's faults, though. That is what being a fan is all about, in my opinion. If you don't stay optimistic as a fan, you'll never make it through the bad seasons. You think I'm annoying. Have you ever talked to a Cubs fan? Link to post Share on other sites
parisisstale Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Look out, Tigers. Only 2 games back in the loss column for best record in the AL . Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Everyone overlooks their team's faults, though. Mike Timlin, Tim Wakefield, and some other mook Link to post Share on other sites
darkstar Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 I read somewhere that Dick Radatz's corpse is suiting up for today's game. Too funny......they gonna un-freeze and re-attach Ted's head for the game as well? Link to post Share on other sites
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