Guest Speed Racer Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 As long as they're edgemecated, you have nothing to worry about. Even if they aren't, they could still make a viable living as a political speechwriter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Wow...I get outta bed & wake up to this? I'd like to have all here to be online & post comments during the returns next Tuesday (like the DC webcast).Wouldn't that be fun,folks? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Nevermind every other point I made, just knock the analogy... My overarching point, as explained in the rest of my posts, is that people don't see Kerry has the 'leader' or the brainiac of the Dems but rather as the 'celebrity' of the Dems, because he was the dude that ran for office that one time...He said stupid things then that didn't get him elected, and he's saying stupid things again. In that case, I strongly disagree with your point. The presidential nominee is a bit more than "the dude that ran for office that one time". Those stupid things he says, to a lot of people who hear them, are the official position of the democratic party. At the very least, it's extremely easy for Rove and Fox to spin those words into something equating the democratic talking points. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Speed Racer Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 In that case, I strongly disagree with your point. The presidential nominee is a bit more than "the dude that ran for office that one time". Those stupid things he says, to a lot of people who hear them, are the official position of the democratic party. I don't know about that...between the news spots about Kerry there are 1,049,048 commercials for everyone's own various obnoxious local politicians that either incenses or motivates them as voters. While this will have an impact on the election, I feel it's going to be very slight. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tugmoose Posted November 1, 2006 Author Share Posted November 1, 2006 5th grade humor alert! I'm always trying to whip it into a big thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 I don't know about that...between the news spots about Kerry there are 1,049,048 commercials for everyone's own various obnoxious local politicians that either incenses or motivates them as voters. While this will have an impact on the election, I feel it's going to be very slight. Believe me, I hope you're right. I happen to think Fox News/talk radio and Drudge Report are far more influential than campaign commercials on tv. Of course Diebold is more influential than any of that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
solace Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Believe me, I hope you're right. I happen to think Fox News/talk radio and Drudge Report are far more influential than campaign commercials on tv.influential to whom... the right wingers who listen/watch/visit those places? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 ANN COULTER: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Also the mindless drones though. A lot of Fox News's audience watches it because they are right wingers and they like to get their news from other right wingers. That part of the audience isn't going to be influenced because they already agree with it. There is another segment of the audience, though, who are mindless and simply think that the loudest voice is the one that is telling the truth. Those are the ones being influenced. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 ANN COULTER: ... I find it rather humorous that you consider Ann Coulter an equivalent to John Kerry, hmm Presidential nominee = author/ talking head. Talk about spin. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 There is another segment of the audience, though, who are mindless and simply think that the loudest voice is the one that is telling the truth. Those are the ones being influenced. Absolutely correct. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Floyd Walpole Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 maybe kerry is on to something. this article was posted on cnn.com a month ago and i also found it posted military.com. Lower Standards Help Army RecruitAssociated Press | October 10, 2006WASHINGTON - The U.S. Army recruited more than 2,600 Soldiers under new lower aptitude standards this year, helping the service beat its goal of 80,000 recruits in the throes of an unpopular war and mounting casualties. The recruiting mark comes a year after the Army missed its recruitment target by the widest margin since 1979, which had triggered a boost in the number of recruiters, increased bonuses, and changes in standards. The Army recruited 80,635 Soldiers, roughly 7,000 more than last year. Of those, about 70,000 were first-time recruits who had never served before. According to statistics obtained by The Associated Press, 3.8 percent of the first-time recruits scored below certain aptitude levels. In previous years, the Army had allowed only 2 percent of its recruits to have low aptitude scores. That limit was increased last year to 4 percent, the maximum allowed by the Defense Department. The Army said all the recruits with low scores had received high school diplomas. In a written statement, the Army said good test scores do not necessarily equate to quality Soldiers. Test-taking ability, the Army said, does not measure loyalty, duty, honor, integrity or courage. Daniel Goure, vice president of the Lexington Institute, a private research group, said there is a "fine balance between the need for a certain number of recruits and the standards you set." "Tests don't tell you the answer to the most critical question for the Army, how will you do in combat?" Goure said. But, he added, accepting too many recruits with low test scores could increase training costs and leave technical jobs unfilled. "The absolute key for the Army is a high-school diploma," Goure said. About 17 percent of the first-time recruits, or about 13,600, were accepted under waivers for various medical, moral or criminal problems, including misdemeanor arrests or drunk driving. That is a slight increase from last year, the Army said. Of those accepted under waivers, more than half were for "moral" reasons, mostly misdemeanor arrests. Thirty-eight percent were for medical reasons and 7 percent were drug and alcohol problems, including those who may have failed a drug test or acknowledged they had used drugs. The Army said the waiver process recognizes that people can overcome past mistakes and become law abiding citizens. Army Brig. Gen. Anthony A. Cucolo said that adding more recruiters enabled the Army to identify more recruits. "We got the right people in the field in the right places in the right numbers," said Cucolo, the chief spokesman for the Army. About two-thirds of the recruits qualified for a bonus - an average of $11,000 each. Some in highly valued specialties, such as special operations forces, can get up to $40,000 in extra cash. The Army National Guard and the Army Reserve both fell slightly short of their recruiting goals. The Reserves recruited 25,378 of the targeted 25,500; and the Guard recruited 69,042 of the targeted 70,000. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 influential to whom... the right wingers who listen/watch/visit those places? Also the mindless drones though. A lot of Fox News's audience watches it because they are right wingers and they like to get their news from other right wingers. That part of the audience isn't going to be influenced because they already agree with it. There is another segment of the audience, though, who are mindless and simply think that the loudest voice is the one that is telling the truth. Those are the ones being influenced. in case you haven't heard the news, kind posters, fox news is FAIR and BALANCED. jeeeezzzzz.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
redjim Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 the 24 hour news cycle just compounds things so much though with an endless parade of "What does this mean?" "What does this mean?" b.s. analysis. at the end of the day if you are going to change your vote for a senator because John Kerry is bad on the campaign trail or botched an attempt at a joke, you should do the rest of the country a favor and not vote at all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SlowBurn68 Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Whatever you want to call me is fine with me. I have no clue as to where you live, I live in the middle of nowhere. But I will be in Chicago Sunday through Tuesday. If you live there and would like to call me a fucking asshole to my face PM me and I'll let you know where I am staying. Beyonnd that why not stick to your talking points and keep the lies flowing. Wait, personal insult is the RNC way, it is much easier than actual discussion. I PM'd you John - I'll give you a personal tour of Bubbly Creek. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 [quote name='JUDE Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 the 24 hour news cycle just compounds things so much though with an endless parade of "What does this mean?" "What does this mean?" b.s. analysis. at the end of the day if you are going to change your vote for a senator because John Kerry is bad on the campaign trail or botched an attempt at a joke, you should do the rest of the country a favor and not vote at all. jimbrowski. pow. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 influential to whom... the right wingers who listen/watch/visit those places? Influential to the millions of undecideds that are on the fence right now. Influential to the undecideds that will be deciding this election -- as they have decided the last two presidential elections. No one here is talking about the Dem or Repub base. Those votes are not changing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 at the end of the day if you are going to change your vote for a senator because John Kerry is bad on the campaign trail or botched an attempt at a joke, you should do the rest of the country a favor and not vote at all. Fine, but if you dont think there are people out there that will do exactly this, you are lying to yourself. People voted for Bush because of the swift boat vets last time around. And yes, those folks would have done this country a favor by not voting. But they did. And they will again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 It's remarkable how the 24-hour news cycle has not resulted in any more news (and actually, probably less). They spend so much time reporting what every candidate and surrogate is saying, and zero time telling the audience whether or not what those people are saying is actually true or not. It's horrible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 I was going to vote for the turd sandwich, but have now decided to support the giant douche. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 [quote name='JUDE Quote Link to post Share on other sites
solace Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Influential to the millions of undecideds that are on the fence right now. Influential to the undecideds that will be deciding this election -- as they have decided the last two presidential elections. No one here is talking about the Dem or Repub base. Those votes are not changing.i guess i've been undecided more often than decided, and never would look to those types of places (on either side of the political spectrum) to help my decision, but can't speak for all undecideds obviously... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WilcoFan Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 By the way. This will not hurt the democrats next Wednesday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Perhaps. But what about next Tuesday? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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