Petition to re-instate Jay Bennett

[Boots]

I'm thinking probably that disc of Palace demos......

-Robert.

 

Yep "Palace 1919", demos plus 2 John Cale covers

[OOO]

I wish I was a neutron bomb for once I could go off

I wish I was a sacrifice but somehow still lived on

I wish I was a sentimental ornament you hung on... The Christmas tree

I wish I was the star that went on top

I wish I was the evidence I wish I was the grounds

For 50 million hands upraised and open toward the sky

 

I wish I was a sailor with someone who waited for me

I wish I was as fortunate as fortunate as me

I wish I was a messenger and all the news was good

I wish I was the full moon shining off a Camaro's hood

 

I wish I was an alien at home behind the sun

I wish I was the souvenir you kept your house key on

I wish I was the pedal brake that you depended on

I wish I was the verb 'to trust' and never let you down

 

I wish I was a radio song, the one that you turned up

[cryptique]

So, the original poster is yet another person who doesn't like the "direction" the band is heading.

 

Bands change. Get used to it. I didn't like the direction R.E.M. went after Lifes Rich Pageant. You know what I did? I just didn't listen to their new stuff much. Did I bitch about it? OK, honestly, a little, yeah. But the world didn't end, and it really didn't affect my life, and R.E.M. continued on and put out a lot more records, and they still do. Some of them have been good, and some of them have been not so good. It doesn't really matter to me. I'll check in with them when they put out good stuff, and ignore them when they don't. Otherwise, it just doesn't affect me.

 

As for Wilco, I think this album was the logical next step. Is it perfect? No. I do wish it had a bit more muscle to it, and there's a song or two that I'm not crazy about. But overall, I love the album, and I love the way this lineup sounds. That's my opinion.

 

Your opinion is different. Cool, that's your right. Just be sure to state it as an opinion, though, and not as if it were an incontrovertible fact. When you act like you're the final arbiter of Wilco quality, you deserve whatever flak comes your way.

[a.miller]

I wish I was a messenger and all the news was good

I wish I was the full moon shining off a Camaro's hood

This line has always made me get a lump in my throat. Truly. Just Beautiful.

 

EDIT: and the "I wish" list above was a good read, cheers.

[Embarcadero_Skies]

So, the original poster is yet another person who doesn't like the "direction" the band is heading.

 

Bands change. Get used to it. I didn't like the direction R.E.M. went after Lifes Rich Pageant. You know what I did? I just didn't listen to their new stuff much. Did I bitch about it? OK, honestly, a little, yeah. But the world didn't end, and it really didn't affect my life, and R.E.M. continued on and put out a lot more records, and they still do. Some of them have been good, and some of them have been not so good. It doesn't really matter to me. I'll check in with them when they put out good stuff, and ignore them when they don't. Otherwise, it just doesn't affect me.

 

As for Wilco, I think this album was the logical next step. Is it perfect? No. I do wish it had a bit more muscle to it, and there's a song or two that I'm not crazy about. But overall, I love the album, and I love the way this lineup sounds. That's my opinion.

 

Your opinion is different. Cool, that's your right. Just be sure to state it as an opinion, though, and not as if it were an incontrovertible fact. When you act like you're the final arbiter of Wilco quality, you deserve whatever flak comes your way.

 

 

When did I say my post was the end all in wilco quality? It's obviously my opinion, and it's my opinion that has ruffled so many feathers, It's been fun reading all the follow up posts to mine!!!!!!

[JUDE]

AM

BT

ST

YHF

AGIB

SBS

[cryptique]

When did I say my post was the end all in wilco quality? It's obviously my opinion, and it's my opinion that has ruffled so many feathers, It's been fun reading all the follow up posts to mine!!!!!!

I didn't say your post was the "end all," I said you were acting as the final arbiter of Wilco quality.

 

And to answer your question, it was very much implied. Examples:

 

I think we need to draft a petition to get Jay Bennett back in Wilco. It's that simple. It's that obvious.

Let's put it this way: the new album sucks. I've never heard Tweedy be so dull and straight forward with his lyrics. Impossible Germany is the only decent song on the album.

[ponch1028]

i love all the different reactions to the original post - all the serious, sincere, and absurd posts.

 

i love Pearl Jam's song

i completely agree with the R.E.M. comparisons (although I still purchase every one of their albums because they've earned my respect and $15)

 

and I'm married so whether or not Megan Wallace is on this board makes no difference to me (i just would have liked to have known whether or not she was down with me also)

[Guest Speed Racer]

I didn't say your post was the "end all," I said you were acting as the final arbiter of Wilco quality.

 

And to answer your question, it was very much implied. Examples:

 

Oh, come on. I hate it as much as the next VCer when someone says, 'This sucks,' instead of 'I think this sucks,' but can't we just assume that people are too lazy to phrase everything in terms of their perspectives and tack it on ourselves? For something as relatively trite as the new Wilco album, we really shouldn't feel too threatened when someone phrases their opinion as fact; that kind of back-and-forthing gets old. Or should I say, I THINK that kind of back-and-forthing gets old?

[Chendizzle]

 

Damn you! Beat me to it. I guess AP English wasn't one of the classes that got tookin'.

[Synthesizer Patel]

Oh, come on. I hate it as much as the next VCer when someone says, 'This sucks,' instead of 'I think this sucks,' but can't we just assume that people are too lazy to phrase everything in terms of their perspectives and tack it on ourselves? For something as relatively trite as the new Wilco album, we really shouldn't feel too threatened when someone phrases their opinion as fact; that kind of back-and-forthing gets old. Or should I say, I THINK that kind of back-and-forthing gets old?

 

i'm never too sure why cryptique always has such a problem with this either. i'm not complaining, just saying ... (honestly, that is not a complaint)

[Embarcadero_Skies]

I didn't say your post was the "end all," I said you were acting as the final arbiter of Wilco quality.

 

And to answer your question, it was very much implied. Examples:

 

 

you say tomato, I say tomahto... "end all" would be the final arbiter. I'll be back to retort your retort after I tend to my afternoon litigation in court.

[Synthesizer Patel]

you say tomato, I say tomahto... "end all" would be the final arbiter. I'll be back retort your retort after I tend to my afternoon litigation in court.

 

yeah, but still ... there is only one way to spell tomato isn't there?! and this is a message board, after all.

[cryptique]

Oh, come on. I hate it as much as the next VCer when someone says, 'This sucks,' instead of 'I think this sucks,' but can't we just assume that people are too lazy to phrase everything in terms of their perspectives and tack it on ourselves? For something as relatively trite as the new Wilco album, we really shouldn't feel too threatened when someone phrases their opinion as fact; that kind of back-and-forthing gets old. Or should I say, I THINK that kind of back-and-forthing gets old?

I don't feel threatened at all. It doesn't bother me in the slightest that lots of people don't like this new album. I'm merely pointing out that it works better to say "I hate it" rather than "it sucks." One sounds like an honest opinion; the other sounds like the rantings of a spoiled child. I won't bother to discuss what starting a thread such as this sounds like.

[quarter23cd]

As long as we're having this argument, can I turn back the clock a few years and rant about how wussy I thought Summerteeth was when it came out? I wasn't a member of the board back then and totally missed out on that.

 

I think every Wilco record so far has been somebody's undeniable proof that the universe is going to hell in a handbasket.

[Mrs. Peel]

I don't feel threatened at all. It doesn't bother me in the slightest that lots of people don't like this new album. I'm merely pointing out that it works better to say "I hate it" rather than "it sucks." One sounds like an honest opinion; the other sounds like the rantings of a spoiled child. I won't bother to discuss what starting a thread such as this sounds like.

 

I 100% agree with this. Stating your opinion is a lot different than stating something as fact. I can't stand it when people talk about what they think of music as if it's scientific fact. It's subjective, and everyone hears it differently. But I don't like to be told, in essence, that I'm wrong if I like something you don't.

 

Also, I think it should be obvious to most that since you are posting a negative Wilco review on a Wilco message board, the majority of people who respond to it are going to disagree with you. Maybe if you hadn't stated everything the way you did and actually backed up your opinions with reasons, they may not have reacted as strong.

 

And just for the record, I'm not spinning SBS too much, but only because right now I'm really into music with more punch. I think the lyrics are great and the music is great, just not my thing right now. If there is something that can be stated as fact, it's that Wilco has been constantly evolving, with band members as well as musical style. With the differences they've shown from album to album, it doesn't surprise me at all that not everyone will like the new one because it's a departure from AGIB. But AGIB was a departure from YHF. And YHF was a departure from ST. And so on and so on. I may not be into SBS right now, but I'm so proud of those guys for following the path they want to follow, because if they did the opposite and kept making YHF over and over again someone else would be here posting about how stale they've gotten.

[Guest Speed Racer]

I'll be back retort your retort after I tend to my afternoon litigation in court.

 

That kind of implied pissing contest, more than any other post of yours so far, is the one that REALLY makes you look like tool. I will write more after I finish polishing all of my trophies, awards, and advanced degrees.

[bobbob1313]

Wilco is the worst band in the world.

[Guest Speed Racer]

I 100% agree with this. Stating your opinion is a lot different than stating something as fact.

 

Is that your fact, or opinion?

 

I can't stand it when people talk about what they think of music as if it's scientific fact. It's subjective, and everyone hears it differently. But I don't like to be told, in essence, that I'm wrong if I like something you don't.

 

Like I said, people say 'This album sucks' simply because they forgot to/didn't feel like/don't care if there's a difference between that and 'I hate this.' Is it *really* that hard to assume that they know this is their own opinion, and actually discuss the merits of why it sucks (or not, as the case may be)?

 

I'm just saying that I'm tired of people responding to 'This sucks' with 'That's not a fact, that's an opinion!' rather than a counter of 'I don't think so because [reasons].'

[Embarcadero_Skies]

That kind of implied pissing contest, more than any other post of yours so far, is the one that REALLY makes you look like tool. I will write more after I finish polishing all of my trophies, awards, and advanced degrees.

 

You have no sense of humor.

[foolnrain97]

You guys were supposed to wait until I had my popcorn ready.

[Guest Speed Racer]

I think every Wilco record so far has been somebody's undeniable proof that the universe is going to hell in a handbasket.

 

Yesterday marked:

 

6 Wilco studio albums

6 Current members

6 years without Jay Bennett

 

Jerry Falwell DIED yesterday. Wrap your head around THAT!

[Mrs. Peel]

Is that your fact, or opinion?

Like I said, people say 'This album sucks' simply because they forgot to/didn't feel like/don't care if there's a difference between that and 'I hate this.' Is it *really* that hard to assume that they know this is their own opinion, and actually discuss the merits of why it sucks (or not, as the case may be)?

 

I'm just saying that I'm tired of people responding to 'This sucks' with 'That's not a fact, that's an opinion!' rather than a counter of 'I don't think so because [reasons].'

 

It's not that much more effort to type "I think" in front of a statement. No, I don't think people forgot to add it, instead they didn't feel like/don't care if there's a difference, and that's what bugs me.

[bobbob1313]

You have no sense of humor.

 

Dude, seriously, go fuck yourself. It's pretty obvious to everyone here that you are only going to be here for today and then you'll disapear so why even bother? Just to get people worked up? You are a troll, and unfortunately, we are feeding you.

 

Sky Blue Sky is awful. But it's also great. And I like it. But I hate it. And it leaves me feelinghappy inside. And it makes me want to hurt someone. And I don't have an opinion on it.

 

Why do the assholes crawl out evertime a new album comes out?

[EL the Famous]

I think this thread sucks...but i'll re-read it a couple times in case i'm missing something.