Zodiac

[radiokills]

i just saw this film, i absolutely loved it. everything about it was great, too bad it didnt do better revenue wise.

 

anyways, discuss.

[bjorn_skurj]

I liked it too. A bit slow, and not a lot of suspense, so I think it put off a lot of people. But as a newspaper person, I loved the newspapery aspects of it.

[radiokills]

me too. they made the city seem so...gloomy and foggy and ethereal it was great.

[Analogman]

It is based on this dude's book - Robert Graysmith. which is, of coruse, who Jake Gyllenhaal was playing in the movie.

 

Auto Focus (the Bob Crane murder case) - another film based on a Graysmith book.

 

Much like the two Capote films, there is also another Zodiac film that came out in 2005.

 

There have been other mentions of him - in the first Diry Harry film for instance - which the Zodiac killer did not like.

[isadorah]

not what i was expecting when i clicked on this one. so, no one wants to talk about rising signs and ruling planets here huh.

 

didn't actually see the movie, i'm a wimp to such things, but it did look interesting. might netflix it.

[bjorn_skurj]

 

Free Sun Interpretation for bjorn_skurj

This complimentary Sun analysis looks only at the position of the Sun in your natal chart. Our full natal chart interpretation considers the positions of every planet, and so is much more complete and accurate. The Free Sun Interpretation is a very brief excerpt from your Full Natal Chart Interpretation.

 

Sun in Scorpio

 

The Scorpio represents one of the strongest, most intelligent signs of the zodiac. He or she has a deep well of strength that, if tapped into, can produce a powerful ally, or a vindictive enemy. A huge abundance of energy usually makes this person a powerful achiever and go-getter; the Scorpio is not lazy. Though their worst fault is jealousy, in all arenas, they also have the power within to turn this around and DO something about it.

 

Above all, the Scorpio represents the Phoenix, that ancient symbol of death and resurrection from the ashes of youth, that fire that never dies but merely rises above and continues to change into something else. An argument is not merely an argument to a Scorpio, nor is it a chance to butt heads, but rather an experience of expressing and listening so that both participants can "rise above" and come out in a better position than when they began. This energy of the Scorpio is also frequently seen in sports, and needs to be properly channeled in order to be given full expression.

 

Scorpios have an uncanny ability to get to the root of any problem, and they have a rawness of perception that makes them almost psychic. Their deep, incisive analytical mind makes them natural detectives or spies, and they are frequently workaholics, cramming each work day with hours of productiveness. They are excellent, relentless workers and excel in anything involving the Eighth House: trusts and inheritances, mortuaries, psychology and counseling, and the occult. They are masters at using other people's money to build their own fortunes, and can be extravagantly generous to charities or other worthy causes.

 

The mystery sign of the zodiac, Scorpios are frequently intriguing, with a truly dynamic and majestic way of going about a problem or situation. This sign is also the sign of death, but manifests itself in the struggle between the soul and the personality. The personality is usually the loser, because the Scorpio's stinger many times stings itself to death. This is where the Phoenix comes in--to resurrect the person to new heights, a new beginning, or a new way of thinking.

 

Thus, change is constant for a Scorpio, who is involved all the time in death, rebirth and renewal. For the Scorpio, there is no in-between--life is many times a matter of life and death, black and white, devil vs. angel, etc. They don't know the meaning of indifference, and tend to be either your friend or your enemy. There is no shade of gray. Once you've gained the trust of a Scorpio, you've won him forever--unless you hurt him in some way. Then he can become mean, vindictive, and will attempt to get even.

 

Scorpios have a very strong reserve, and a lot is hidden below the surface. They command respect from acquaintances due to their strong, quiet exterior, and many times work to earn the respect of close ties. They also usually show a lot of creativity, and a great ability for sarcasm with their deadly tongue, which can get them in trouble. This stinger can also, for some, show as a dark side of cruelty, sadism, and enmity. For others, who are more evolved, the stinger helps them transform their lives for the better. They are truly courageous, not afraid of anything. Their endurance makes them plow ahead, overcoming any obstacle in their path.

 

Though they are considered the "sexiest" sign of the zodiac, Scorpios have gotten a bad rap for being almost sleazy. They simply have strong passions that need regenerating, and a tremendous pride that seems to say, "Don't judge a book by its cover."

 

Scorpios are a master at hiding their emotions. They have a tremendous strength and power when they have managed to rise above their personality and seek power not for themselves, but to heal and bless others. They reach their goals through service, purity, compassion and humility. They have a need to redeem and transform their natures, and to have a happy marriage. Their innate curiosity makes them probe deeply into all things, seeking the meaning behind the surface. They dig out concealed facts, and are one of the most intuitive signs of the zodiac. A highly evolved Scorpio is psychic, having a rich inner life that is passionate about metaphysics.

 

On the negative side, Scorpios can be extremely critical, like their allies the Virgos. This can lead to a difficulty with co-workers because of strong judgments of them. Scorpios need to have more stability and steadiness with partners. Their great stubbornness makes them sometimes outsiders, tending to be lone wolves rather than equal partners in relationships.

 

A Scorpio woman turns heads and grabs attention by her steamy sexuality. She has the power of presence, and a boldness and need for honesty unparalleled in the zodiac. Never, never lie to her, or she'll cut you off. A passionate lover, she can also be jealous or possessive. What she shows on the outside is not necessarily what she's really feeling, unless she's angry. Her rage can explode, with a sarcasm or a piercing look that really stings. Her intuition can be so developed that she borders on the clairvoyant; this can be seen in her eyes. As a mother, she is fiercely devoted and protective, creating a loving and comfortable home for kids.

 

A Scorpio man is intense, passionate and private. Everything he does is compelling--the way he dresses, his eyes, the way he walks. He radiates sexual energy, is powerful to ignore--even if you don't like him. Often he has some wonderful talent that he pursues passionately, but he may not get any money for it. He may put his energy into music, art, writing, acting, or astrology, or he may put all his energy into his family. He enjoys sports, especially the more violent ones such as football or hunting.

 

In romance, no other sign brings such raw power or intensity to a relationship. The question is: how will this intensity be manifested? Will it be in a fury or jealousy? Will it be in fiery, unbridled passion? Take a chance and get involved with the mysterious Scorpio. The ever-changing Scorpio is highly compatible with its polar opposite-- the steady bull, or Taurus--but in an argument neither one will give in. Scorpios are also good matches for other Scorpios, as long as they understand each other's intensity and passion. Other water signs, such as Pisces or Cancer, may prove too weak for the intensity of the Scorpio.

 

In religion, the Scorpio tends to form bonds with organized religions, enjoying ritual and the sense of belonging there. They may also lean to unorthodox belief systems, with a passion and sincerity that is never dishonest. Because Scorpios are ruled by Pluto--the god of the underworld--they can sometimes have a connection with the ethereal, other world of spirit, which is often metaphysical. They have an ability to transform energy, or change impure selfish desires into the gold of purity. They are fascinated by the big issues of death and life, and are attracted to a religion that leaves room for exploring these.

 

Scorpios tend to have a few, very intense relationships, rather than a coterie of acquaintances. It may be that the Scorpio's stinger alienates some possible friends; it may be that fewer individuals are capable of flying so close to the sun, or so close to the deeper issues, as the Scorpio does. It may also be that few are capable of rising from its own ashes, of changing--for the good or bad--as a Scorpio can. How many can keep up, to view the new person constantly emerging? Yet it is true that those who enjoy watching the Scorpio as it makes people see the hidden, secret meanings of life--as it rises unscathed and transforms those around it--will be most loyal and appreciative friends.

 

Above all, Scorpios are survivors. Though they are typically very erotic (their sign rules the sex organs), they don't use people but instead help them transcend themselves. You probably won't forget an encounter with a Scorpio.

 

Sun in the Eighth House

 

Though the Sun may be powerful here, remember that this house is the most mysterious, complex, and least understood of all the 12 houses of the zodiac. The Eighth House, ruled by Pluto and Neptune, is the house of death, sex, investment banking, taxes, inheritance, magic, and regeneration. It also governs invisible forces such as prayer, communion, auras, and the magical force of sexual attraction and falling in love. A strong Sun here connotes a deep purpose towards life and emotional intensity, coupled with an uncanny power of intuition that, if used wisely, can even unearth the mystical magic of the invisible world. There is an introspective need for self-knowledge here, and a need for sexual expression that is heightened by the Sun's rays. A person here may be obsessed with sex, or with money or power. There is a tendency also to excel in careers dealing with money. The most interesting facet of a Sun placement in this house is the person's ability to grow and change, develop an acute self-knowledge that with the Sun's help can produce an equally vibrant wisdom in others. The Sun's force here helps the individual to transform energy, to transcend the ego and enter the realm of the soul. A person's early life might have been difficult due to loss of a father, whether physically or emotionally. Later on, the individual might find himself with an inheritance, and the Sun here favors planning and managing estates or entering a field that deals with the dead, such as insurance brokers or undertakers. Your financial prosperity may be favored with marriage or other partnerships, and you have a deep interest in metaphysics, specifically life after death and reincarnation. Fame may come to you after death, while you may be able to foretell of an inheritance ahead of time. A weak Sun here, however, could mean na

[JUDE]

Hi, I'm Bjorn and I'm a Scorpio

[welch79]

good to hear this is good...i wanted to see it, but opted out of seeing at the theater.

 

will catch soon.

 

thanks for the reminder.

 

edit: dang...just checked the dvd release. gotta wait a month.

[anodyne]

i'd like to see this. i have a friend who is obsessed with zodiac. he's been trying to crack his cypher for years.

[Analogman]

They've been cracked - yes?

 

Or you mean he is doing it for kicks.

[anodyne]

there has been a crack that may have worked, but he's doing it for fun.

[radiokills]

i just saw it again, these scenes still get to me, and im overall still astounded by the cinematography.

[trevor]

that basement scene is still so, so creepy

[Big Perm]

one of my favorite books and a completely overlooked film, it's perfect - Fincher strikes again

[Analogman]

Yes - he will always be our Jack The Ripper. I still have not seen the other Zodiac movie.

[aricandover]

that basement scene is still so, so creepy

 

that scene made me feel so uneasy, and creeped out. moreso than any horror film made in the last 10 years.

[radiokills]

that scene made me feel so uneasy, and creeped out. moreso than any horror film made in the last 10 years.

 

agreed, great scene, its such a good picture when he just pulls the light off and you cant see him anymore, i wanted to run out of the room.

[aricandover]

agreed, great scene, its such a good picture when he just pulls the light off and you cant see him anymore, i wanted to run out of the room.

 

yeah, and who the f@ck was upstairs?

[radiokills]

the whole "twist" or whatever terminology you want to use, is that there were 2 people acting as the zodiac. im assuming whoever was upstairs was the the arthur lee guy. this is how the handwriting analysis was never a match.

[Guest Hollinger.]

The basement scene was actually the biggest part of the movie that I didn't care for. It felt really out of place in the context of the movie. Very cliched thriller-movie stuff. I figured Fincher was above that... to me it felt like the studio forced him to add stuff like that and maybe he intentionally tried to make it feel like it didn't belong so it wouldn't make the final cut. I dunno, I could be reading too much into it.

[Sir Stewart]

I barely even want to mention it, but how about the stabbing at the lake? Sucked the breath right out of me.

[Analogman]

The basement scene was actually the biggest part of the movie that I didn't care for. It felt really out of place in the context of the movie. Very cliched thriller-movie stuff. I figured Fincher was above that... to me it felt like the studio forced him to add stuff like that and maybe he intentionally tried to make it feel like it didn't belong so it wouldn't make the final cut. I dunno, I could be reading too much into it.

 

It's in the book.

[Big Perm]

The basement scene was actually the biggest part of the movie that I didn't care for. It felt really out of place in the context of the movie. Very cliched thriller-movie stuff. I figured Fincher was above that... to me it felt like the studio forced him to add stuff like that and maybe he intentionally tried to make it feel like it didn't belong so it wouldn't make the final cut. I dunno, I could be reading too much into it.

couldn't disagree more

[stickman]

Just reading about it and thinking back about it (the basement part, well I guess the stabbing part too) has made me want to turn the lights in my room on.

[m_thomp]

Zodiac, along with Sunshine, was one of my favourite films of last year. Atmospherically it is exactly how an unsolved true crime film should be: in parts brutal, the rest filled with creeping paranoia.

 

I received, after a long delay from the company I ordered it from, my 2-disc DVD set on the weekend. For anyone interested in the real-life aspects of Zodiac, then you should check out the feature-length documentary on the bonus disc. It concentrates on the four known Zodiac attacks and interviews all the police and, more compellingly, the survivors of the attacks. The guy from the lake scene, who struck me as being very intelligent and surprisingly coherent, is taken back to the scene of the crime, and his recollections of what happened so lucid and disquietening. He also said that Fincher's scene at the lake absolutely nailed it, in that it was exactly in the manner he remembered it - quick and devastating - so much so that he had to look away whilst watching the screening because it was so unerringly accurate.

 

What's also noticeable about the documentary was the amount of crucial information that the police only now remember, but forgot to file in their report at the time because they didn't think it seemed important. Just goes to show either that hindsight is a very powerful thing or that the police force has always been filled with a few bungling idiots.