TW Walsh Posted October 4, 2007 Author Share Posted October 4, 2007 It's an etiquette thing. If you're going to use teh InterWebs to promote your music, there are better and more polite ways to do it than signing up on other bands' message boards and then immediately promoting your own music before disappearing, never to be heard from again. I'm prepared to acknowledge that this guy's different -- by still being around (even if it's largely to express indignation at the treatment he's received), he's proving that he's not the typical "I LIKE WILCO TOO SO LISTEN TO MY CRAP" drive-by self-promoter. I was a dickhead to him when he first appeared because let's face it, we've all seen a lot of those people and they are annoying. That's why it's fairly well established etiquette that you don't self-promote in your first board post. Maybe this guy didn't know that. Honestly, I never expected him to read my post, because I figured he was long gone. At this point, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I won't apologize for how I treat the usual band spammers around here. They're parasites. Do I overreact? You betcha. It's one of my character flaws. Do I make too much out of this? Could I simply ignore such posts? Sure. Maybe this instance will cause me to think twice in the future before I start in with the abuse.I don't regard that as a directly analogous situation. The guy in the bar is out there pounding the pavement, pressing the flesh, putting himself out there. A board spammer spends fifteen minutes dropping links on various websites and never bothers to meet or talk to anyone. Maybe I'm wrong about the need to "earn your stripes" on a board before commencing the promotional activities, but by doing so I think you make yourself more like that guy in the bar and less like the people who send penis-enlargement offers to my inbox. hey, i conceded that it was lame. a friendly "dude, that's kinda lame...we're a bit offended" would have sufficed. personally, i'd probably be a bit more put off by someone approaching me in a bar than typing some characters that may or may not come across my screen, but that's just me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 hey, i conceded that it was lame. a friendly "dude, that's kinda lame...we're a bit offended" would have sufficed.Fair enough. Also, at this point I think it's only fair that I welcome you to VC. People like me aside, it really is a wonderful place. I hope this thread hasn't soured you on the whole forum. It's a living, breathing community, and yes, it has its share of dysfunction, but it's also one of the friendliest places I've ever seen on the 'net. personally, i'd probably be a bit more put off by someone approaching me in a bar than typing some characters that may or may not come across my screen, but that's just me.Well, personally, I really hate most bars, so this scenario is strictly hypothetical for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 R U guys doing it now or what? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Let's see.....who called who a nazi. I appreciate Wendy's desire to make nice with this guy and frankly I was making pretty nice too (he seems to have come around to our thinking as well), but considering we actually KNOW cryptique I think defending him was proper as well. I see no reason that coming to the defense of someone we know and have spent time with in real life should be a problem here either. Had someone attacked Wendy, we also should have supported her. No harm done I suppose but cryptique's point is well taken none the less. I am sure TW is a good guy and a decent musician. The web is a rather annonymous place and also one fraught with hyperbole. This is certianly not the first time either here or on any other board someone has had to defend their actions. LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TW Walsh Posted October 4, 2007 Author Share Posted October 4, 2007 Let's see.....who called who a nazi. self-defense. my constitutional right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 self-defense. my constitutional right. it is? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TW Walsh Posted October 4, 2007 Author Share Posted October 4, 2007 it is? yeah, the 4th amendment. if you injure or kill someone in self-defense, you cannot be convicted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 yeah, the 4th amendment. if you injure or kill someone in self-defense, you cannot be convicted. That goes out the window if you're listening to a rip of a purchased music file at the time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Alan Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 yeah, the 4th amendment. if you injure or kill someone in self-defense, you cannot be convicted.i would like to defend myself from your terrible music. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TW Walsh Posted October 4, 2007 Author Share Posted October 4, 2007 i would like to defend myself from your terrible music. very easy to do. in fact, with that post, you did far more than necessary. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nettles Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 I for one encourage TM and any other artists to post free music and tell us whats up with your band anytime, whats the reason against this again? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Cuz it looks like spam at first. If it was spam, which it looked like, cryptique's response would've sunk to the archives, along with the thread. But it wasn't, so it didn't, and here we are. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Hey man, everyone should get a fair play. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Kinsley Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 I for one encourage TM and any other artists to post free music and tell us whats up with your band anytime, whats the reason against this again? Through no fault of TM's, others have done this before in a sort of one or two post, 'drive-by' fashion. Sometimes for things other than music, although the Slum B Que pops immediately to mind. Seeing as TM has already made 3 posts claiming that he's never coming back and several after that, I'd say he sounds like a legitimate VC member. It's really a case of others before him ruining his attempt with their ill-will, which it does seem he lacks. Just a little far on the first date is all. Hey man, everyone should get a fair play. Damn!!! Who was that guy anyway? I know Bonaduce, the other guy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Jon Dalton aka Jonny Fairplay Quote Link to post Share on other sites
M. (hristine Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Seeing as TM has already made 3 posts claiming that he's never coming back and several after that, I'd say he sounds like a legitimate VC member. I love you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 yeah, the 4th amendment. if you injure or kill someone in self-defense, you cannot be convicted. "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TW Walsh Posted October 4, 2007 Author Share Posted October 4, 2007 actually, it's TIM or TW. thank you though. after the initial attack, i wasn't planning on coming back, but i have been poking around and i like some of this here content and these here people. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TW Walsh Posted October 4, 2007 Author Share Posted October 4, 2007 "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." i am no lawyer. but i believe the right to bear arms and the right to defend oneself against violence are derived from this paragraph. forgive me if i am incorrect. any constitutional lawyers on this board? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 any constitutional lawyers on this board? yes i am, but the whole point is moot. the only amendment you need to worry about is the right to rock and post said rock on message boards. it's the 67th amendment BTW. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 i am no lawyer. but i believe the right to bear arms and the right to defend oneself against violence are derived from this paragraph. forgive me if i am incorrect. any constitutional lawyers on this board? I don't believe there is any federal constitutional protection for using self-defense. It is generally a state-specific statutory defense that operates to excuse certain violent behavior when the actor's life or property is facing immediate harm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 I don't believe there is any federal constitutional protection for using self-defense. It is generally a state-specific statutory defense that operates to excuse certain violent behavior when the actor's life or property is facing immediate harm. don't listen to him, he's not a lawyer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TW Walsh Posted October 4, 2007 Author Share Posted October 4, 2007 don't listen to him, he's not a lawyer. well, i guess i stand corrected. or not? well, i can't wait until they draft the 69th amendment, if you catch my drift. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 i am no lawyer. but i believe the right to bear arms and the right to defend oneself against violence are derived from this paragraph. forgive me if i am incorrect. any constitutional lawyers on this board?That paragraph is from the Fourth Amendment. The one you're thinking of is from the Second Amendment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Uh-ohhhh...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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