bjorn_skurj Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 don't forget the atrocities committed in Latin America with the direct approval, support and encouragement of the Reagan administration. Man, how I had to bite my tongue when Reagan died and we had to put all of this pro-Ronnie stuff in the newspaper. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Man, how I had to bite my tongue when Reagan died and we had to put all of this pro-Ronnie stuff in the newspaper.It truly blows my mind to listen to the folks on the hill speak about that guy like he was Lincoln, FDR and JFK all rolled into one. From BOTH sides of the aisle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 I'm not sure what the statute of limitations is about saying bad things about dead presidents. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reni Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 I don't know - but I sure as hell hate James A Garfield. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beltmann Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 I don't know - but I sure as hell hate James A Garfield. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Kinsley Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 I will say that due to the current regime I have a whole new respect (not necessarily a love of, though) for Ronnie. Even he wouldn't have gone into Iraq. He understood the importance of a strong military as a deterrent. And the best way to keep it as a deterrent is to not use it, just build it up. I would have liked a little less building up back then, but now I get his point. Â That and I now understand that ketchup is a vegetable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 It truly blows my mind to listen to the folks on the hill speak about that guy like he was Lincoln, FDR and JFK all rolled into one. From BOTH sides of the aisle. Motherfukker did walk into the hospital after getting shot in the chest. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leo Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Dude, please YSI me the drugs you are on if you think one presidential election will change what has always been true in America - that people with the money have the power. Hillary will be an improvement over what we have now. I like Obama, but I don't think he has a chance.A VAST improvement. We'll have a president who can actually speak the language. Imagine!Obama is not ready. He appears to be in way over his head.Like it or not, Hillary is our only real choice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 I can't wait to see how she "fixes" our health care system. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Yeah, maybe poor, sick children will get some health care, huh? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
H.Stone Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 That and I now understand that ketchup is a vegetable. Beat me to it... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
H-Bomb Henry Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 A VAST improvement. We'll have a president who can actually speak the language. Imagine!Obama is not ready. He appears to be in way over his head.Like it or not, Hillary is our only real choice. I'm curious why you think Obama is not ready? I relate corruption to experience in washington.  Also if our healthcare is so broke why do people come to our country for it? I just figure when I receive an extremely high bill from the hospital that they have added a couple unpaid child birth's onto my bill and my insurance company takes care of it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reni Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 well, it's a good thing you have insurance then.....some of us don't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
embiggen Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Life was good during the first Clinton administration, remember? Barack is a fine guy, but he would be the second coming of Jimmy Carter - a fine guy who couldn't get anything done. Bush Clinton Bush Clinton while I enjoyed Bill's administration, I do not want to live under a dynastic government. I want new blood that could invigorate our government. I would be happy mostly with Obama, or with John Edwards. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boywiththorninside Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 I'm curious why you think Obama is not ready? I relate corruption to experience in washington. Yeah, I tend to see Obama's not being in DC long as a virtue.  I'm pretty certain he could handle the job just as well, or better, than Hillary. But that's just me. I've been wrong about politicians before. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reni Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Bush Clinton Bush Clinton while I enjoyed Bill's administration, I do not want to live under a dynastic government. I want new blood that could invigorate our government. I would be happy mostly with Obama, or with John Edwards. and don't forget all those Bush cronies date back to the Nixon administration......they've been around way too long. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SlowBurn68 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 I can't wait to see how she "fixes" our health care system. Once again Tweedling proves that people in Texas have no redeeming value. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 It could be a distinct possibility that, given how fast information travels today, that the eventual winner in '08 hasn't even declared themself yet. Time is getting shorter but there's still a few months left before some heavy-hitter could jump in and twist this thing completely around. It's more wide open than we'd be led to believe. My .02. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Oh, come on. Willie Nelson is from Texas, as are Joan Crawford, Lisa Whelchel and Tommy Tune and Billy Preston. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Calexico Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 All Democrat love from the VC'ers. Fair enough and it looks like HRC is "the man" in that race but will most of conservative America vote for her? No one here reckon that the GOP can win the White House again? If it becomes a straight up fight between Clinton and Guiliani who will the ordinary American citizen vote for? I am guessing that Rudy would be the lesser of two evils, so to speak.  Personally, I would vote for Ron Paul but since I can't that is a moot point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
c53x12 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 I wasn't sure it could get any worse than Bush v. Kerry, but Hillary v. Obama v. Guiliani v. McCain v. all the rest is unbelievably bad. It's like pulling into town at 2 am when you're starving hungry, and the only thing open is the nastiest, dirtiest McDonalds ever. F. all of 'em, I'll probably vote for Ron Paul. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 F. all of 'em, I'll probably vote for Ron Paul.Why, exactly? Paul's managed to build a pretty large cult following, but I don't understand it. I think if a lot of the people on his bandwagon took a good hard look at his actual positions on the issues, they'd have second thoughts.  Seems to me that his only real appeal is that he's some kind of maverick or outsider. Yeah, that's exactly how John McCain operated a few years back, and look how he turned out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Seems to me that his only real appeal is that he's some kind of maverick or outsider. Yeah, that's exactly how John McCain operated a few years back, and look how he turned out.Are you saying Ron Paul's gonna get a turkey neck too? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Paul is appealing because he's the only one who seems to live in the same reality as the rest of us in regards to the war and foreign policy in general. He's principled, which sets him apart from pretty much everyone else in the field, especially on the Republican side. But he's also the single most likely candidate out of all of them to move to have Roe v. Wade overturned if elected, and that's just one problem with him. I think that cryptique is right, in that a lot of his supporters don't really know what he stands for. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ikol Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Another thing that is appealing is that he's a true conservative. He wouldn't pay lip service to reducing the size of the government and then actually allow it to get bigger like Bush did. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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