Sigur Ros will not sell out.

[jc4prez]

dear jesus, as near as I can tell all you're doing to remedy the situation is living in america (like most of us) and bitching on a message board (less than many of us, although you assume us all to be heathens). please don't take this as an attack but as an invitation to explain your path.

 

 

My path?

 

Currently I'm studying business in school so I have a better understanding of how this evil corporate machine works. I honestly have no idea what I'm going to do once I graduate. I plan on going into some field where I will benefiting others.

 

I also try to talk to everyone I know about sharing and trying to minimize their purchases and expand their minds. Knowledge is the greatest tool anyone has. I'm am currently trying to gain as much as possible and figure out the path to go down.

 

When I entered college I was a film major and decided that path was not a good path for making a difference in the world (for me). So I'm in between things now. Whenever I have the opportunity to volunteer, take part in a rally or donate I do.

 

'blood on my hands'...right.

 

 

Right because your tax dollars are paying for the violence in the middle east and our governments attempt at manifest destiny in the middle east.

 

Not to mention their constant ignoring of world problems that don't serve any benefit for them to fix.

[EL the Famous]

so, i personally sent those troops to the middle east and to rectify the situation, shouldn't pay my taxes? don't those tax dollars also fund programs here at home that actually help and educate people?

 

Not to mention their constant ignoring of world problems that don't serve any benefit for them to fix.

 

like the AIDS epidemic in africa?

[Spawn's dad]

'our'

[jc4prez]

so, i personally sent those troops to the middle east and to rectify the situation, shouldn't pay my taxes? don't those tax dollars also fund programs here at home that actually help and educate people?

 

 

Yes you personally did it. And every dollar YOU and I spend is contributing to the continue the effort.

 

 

These tax dollars are also not properly distributed.

 

 

The education system your contributing to is actually working as an oppressive force in many cases. I don't know what kind of community you live in but goto an inner city school and then check out a rich suburb. The rich get to stay rich while the poor get left behind.

[jc4prez]

so, i personally sent those troops to the middle east and to rectify the situation, shouldn't pay my taxes? don't those tax dollars also fund programs here at home that actually help and educate people?

 

 

 

like the AIDS epidemic in africa?

 

 

What do we spend more money on? The middle east or africa. Who are you kidding. People are getting saluterd all over Africa and it doesn't seem like stopping the violence is on the top of our list.

[EL the Famous]

you are completely missing the point...and please explain how i personally sent the troops to the middle east.

[jc4prez]

you are completely missing the point...and please explain how i personally sent the troops to the middle east.

 

 

You work in this country and make money. That money is taxed by the government. This simple action funded the war.

 

You bought things with the money you made. These purchases were taxed. This funded the war.

 

 

 

Simple enough?

 

 

ON that note though I'm out for the evening.

 

Goodnight!

[EL the Famous]

[OOO]

The education system your contributing to is actually working as an oppressive force in many cases. I don't know what kind of community you live in but goto an inner city school and then check out a rich suburb. The rich get to stay rich while the poor get left behind.

You are simplifying this a lot though. A lot of the time there is a cultural influence in poor neighborhoods where kids are taught by their parents that education isn't important and taught by their peers that not trying in school is cool. School funding is important, but not nearly important as parent involvment. If a kid wansts to succeed, even in the worst schools, he/she almost always will.

[EL the Famous]

THE SYSTEM!

[bobbob1313]

Jesus4prez is making the dirt worshipper guy look like less of an asshat, even though he all but called El Coolest Kid On The Block a lazy guy who is stealing jobs from hard working middle class Americans/Africans.

 

Dear Jesus,

 

You have purchased things in your life, no? Murderer! The blood is on your hands, fascist pig!

[Spawn's dad]

I don't think, generally, that the principles behind what either of them post are without merit. But yeah Jesus' inability to utter the 'our' word when railing against the system does come off far more accusatory than it should be. Yeah it sucks 'your' government is in the middle east the way it is, but the people are in pretty universal agreement about that so it's not exactly a revelatory position. The other guy just starts threads to argue, and then each time someone discusses something with him his position shifts to 'oh yeah, what about.?.?.?' It creeps along shifting from one argument to the next but never actually settling on any one thing. Jeepers this started as an argument about a band and now it's on shipping jobs overseas and the middle east conflict. I'd kind of like to know what his personal plan is to remedy the myriad ills he's exposed in this thread (other than sticking his fingers in people's virtual chests). And both talk in that 'your government' speak with the tone that the populace as a whole just wants to bite the heads off foreign babies and steal their proverbial lollipops (since they can't afford real ones) while salting the earth so their parents can't ever grow lollipops. As if, somehow, they're the only ones on a predominantly liberal message board for an obscure alt country band who care about the health, happiness and sustainability of the planet and those (all creatures and beings) who populate it.

[stooka]

I found this on Stereogum today. Creepy, Huh?

link to article

 

 

Selling Out Isn't Possible by Kevin Barnes (Of Montreal)

 

Are you a sell out? Yes. Don't let it bother you though, cause apparently I am also a sell out, and so are your parents and everyone you've ever known. The only way to avoid selling out is to live like a savage all alone in the wilderness. The moment you attempt to live within the confines of a social order, you become a sell out. Once you attempt to coexist you sell out. If that's true, then selling out is a good thing. It is an important thing. If we didn't do it, we'd be fucked, quite literally, by everyone bigger than us physically who found us fuckable.

The pseudo-nihilistic punk rockers of the 70's created an impossible code in which no one can actually live by. It's such garbage. The idea that anyone who attempts to do anything commercial is a sell out is completely out of touch with reality. The punk rock manifesto is one of anarchy and intolerance. The punk rockers polluted our minds. They offered a solution that had no future. Of course, if the world would have ended before Sandinista! was released then everything would have been alright. It didn't. Now we have all of these half-conceived ideas and idiot philosophies floating around to confuse and alienate us. I think it is important to face reality. It is important to decide whether you are going to completely rail against the system or find a way to make it work for you. You cannot do both -- and if you attempt to do both you will only become even more bitter and confused.

 

When I was younger, and supported my parents, I chose to float between the two. A lot of people choose to do this. There are so many confused young people running around now polluted by this alloyed version of the tenets of the punk rock manifesto. Of course they're confused. It isn't possible to be in chorus with capitalism and anarchy. You must pick one or the other. Very few people are willing to do it, though. The worst kind of person is the one who sucks the dick of the man during the daytime and then draws pictures of themselves slitting his throat at night. Jesus Christ, make up your mind! The thing is, there is a lack of balance. When capitalism is working on a healthy level, everyone gets their dick sucked from time to time and no one gets their throat slit. It's impossible to be a sell out in a capitalist society. You're only a winner or a loser. Either you've found a way to crack the code or you are struggling to do so. To sell out in capitalism is basically to be too accommodating, to not get what you think you deserve. In capitalism, you don't get what you think you deserve though. You get what someone else thinks you deserve. So the trick is to make them think you are worth what you feel you deserve. You deserve a lot, but you'll only get it when you figure out how to manipulate the system.

 

Why commercialize yourself? In the art industry, it's extremely difficult to be successful without turning yourself into a cartoon. Even Hunter S. Thompson knew this. God knows Duchamp and Warhol knew it. Some artists are turned into cartoons and others do it themselves. I prefer to do it myself. at least then I can control how my cock is photographed. Why should it be considered such an onerous thing to view the production of art as a job? To me, the luckiest people are the ones who figure out a way to earn a living doing what they love and gain fulfillment from. Like all things in this life, you have to make certain sacrifices to get what you want. At least most of us do. If you're not some trust-fund kid or lotto winner, you've got to slave it out everyday. People who wanna be artists have the hardest time of it 'cause we are held up to these impossible standards. We're expected to die penniless and insane so that the people we have moved and entertained over the years can keep us to themselves. So that they can feel a personal and untarnished connection with our art. The second we try to earn a living wage or, god forbid, promote our art in the mainstream, we are placed under the knives of the sanctimonious indie fascists. Unfortunately, there isn't some grand umbrella grant that supports indie rockers financially and enables us to exist outside of the trappings of capitalism.

 

The thing is, I like capitalism. I think it's an interesting challenge. It's a system that rewards the imaginative and ambitious adults and punishes the lazy adults. Our generation is insanely lazy. We're just as smart as our parents but we are overwhelmed by contradicting ideas that confuse us into paralysis. Maybe the punk rock ethos made sense for the "no future" generation but it doesn't make sense for me. I like producing and purchasing things. I'd much rather go to IKEA than to stand in some bread line. That's because I don't have to stand in a bread line. Most people who throw around terms like "sellout" don't have to stand in one either. They don't have to stand in one because they are gainfully employed. The term "sellout" only exists in the lexicon of the over-privileged. Almost every non-homeless person in America is over-privileged, at least in a global sense.

 

Obviously, I've struggled with the concept. I've struggled because of the backlash following my songs placement in TV commercials. That is, until I realized that the negative energy that was being directed towards me really began to inspire my creativity. It has given me a sense of, "well, I'll show them who is a sellout, I'm going to make the freakiest, most interesting, record ever!!!" ... "I'm going to prove to them that my shit is wild and unpolluted by the reach of some absurd connection to mainstream corporate America."

 

I realized then that, for me, selling out is not possible. Selling out, in an artistic sense, is to change one's creative output to fit in with the commercial world. To create phony and insincere art in the hopes of becoming commercially successful. I've never done this and I can't imagine I ever will. I spent seven years not even existing at all in the mainstream world. Now I am being supported and endorsed by it. I know this won't last forever. No one's going to want to use one of my songs in a commercial five years from now, so I've got to take the money while I can. It's the same with pro athletes. You only get it while you're hot and no one stays commercially viable for long. It's not like Michael Vick is going to be receiving any big endorsement deals anytime soon. As sad as it may seem, one of the few ways most indie bands can make any money whatsoever is by selling a song to a commercial. Very very few bands make enough money from album sales or tour revenue to enable themselves to quit their day job.

 

Next time you see a commercial with one of your favorite bands songs in it, just tell yourself, "cool, a band I really like made some money and now I can probably look forward to a few more records from them." It's as simple as that. We all have to do certain things, from time to time, that we might not be completely psyched about, in order to pay the bills. To me, the TV is the world's asshole boss and if anyone can earn some extra bucks from it and they're not Bill O'Reilly, it's a good thing.

[Good Old Neon]

I found this on Stereogum today. Creepy, Huh?

link to article

 

This is, of course, the same Kevin Barnes who allowed Outback Steakhouse to change the lyrics of his song - a faux pas others who were ok with the Wilco decision thought went too far.

 

El - I owe you a huge apology - I was attempting sarcastic and facetious, but what I came off as was cruel - and for that, I offer my sincerest apology. I went back and removed the original post - for what it

[caliber66]

And both talk in that 'your government' speak with the tone that the populace as a whole just wants to bite the heads off foreign babies and steal their proverbial lollipops (since they can't afford real ones) while salting the earth so their parents can't ever grow lollipops.

Gary, you're totally missing the point. What the hell do the African babies care what I do with their lollipops after I've bitten their heads off? It's not like they still have any tastebuds.

 

And on that note, I'm done with this thread. I tried to read the last couple pages last night and my head almost exploded. Every one of you people is fucking batshit.

[bobbob1313]

Gary, you're totally missing the point. What the hell do the African babies care what I do with their lollipops after I've bitten their heads off? It's not like they still have any tastebuds.

 

And on that note, I'm done with this thread. I tried to read the last couple pages last night and my head almost exploded. Every one of you people is fucking batshit.

 

"you people"

[jc4prez]

I never said the blood wasn't on my hands.

 

 

Tag your it.

 

 

I just want to say I never stated I know everything. I never said I wasn't also a part of the problem. I was just pointing out that their is a problem. One of them being that most people don't realize they are in fact part of it.

[EL the Famous]

This is, of course, the same Kevin Barnes who allowed Outback Steakhouse to change the lyrics of his song - a faux pas others who were ok with the Wilco decision thought went too far.

 

El - I owe you a huge apology - I was attempting sarcastic and facetious, but what I came off as was cruel - and for that, I offer my sincerest apology. I went back and removed the original post - for what it

[stooka]

 

 

that's the one

 

 

It appears to be quite popular.

[Tweedling]

WOW.......this is, uh..........WOW

[Good Old Neon]

Outback steakhouse and its founders are major contributors, via the Outback Steakhouse PAC, to the Republican Party, contributing $303,015 and $334,197 for the 2000 and 2004 election cycles, respectively.

 

So Kevin, congratulations, you're helping to ensure the Republican Party remains strong and well funded. Ironic considering he (of Montreal) released an album entitled - "If He Is Protecting Our Nation... Who Is Protecting Big Oil, Our Children?"

 

Keep feeding the hand that bites you - honest to christ.....

 

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/10/31/Business...PAC_house.shtml

[bobbob1313]

Outback steakhouse and its founders are major contributors, via the Outback Steakhouse PAC, to the Republican Party, contributing $303,015 and $334,197 for the 2000 and 2004 election cycles, respectively.

 

So Kevin, congratulations, you're helping to ensure the Republican Party remains strong and well funded. Ironic considering he (of Montreal) released an album entitled - "If He Is Protecting Our Nation... Who Is Protecting Big Oil, Our Children?"

 

Keep feeding the hand that bites you - honest to christ.....

 

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/10/31/Business...PAC_house.shtml

 

Have you ever eaten at Outback?

[Good Old Neon]

Have you ever eaten at Outback?

 

As a vegetarian, their menu does not quite appeal to me, so, to answer your question - no.

[ction]

The guy who started Chipotle is actually Hitler's grandson.* I hope you all keep that in mind when you do whatever it is you hippy people do at Chipotle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

* Ok, I made that up. I like Outback a lot though.

 

"the humble vegetarian"

[ikol]

As a vegetarian, their menu does not quite appeal to me, so, to answer your question - no.

 

As a vegetarian, are you worried that some of the farmers who grow your sustenance might be Republicans? The chlorophyll is on your hands!