Mr. Kinsley Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Not a kiss of death. It's just an endorsement.You're right. But it's the endorsement of death then. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Not a kiss of death. It's just an endorsement. Or, based upon the look on Obama Link to post Share on other sites
Reni Posted January 10, 2008 Author Share Posted January 10, 2008 Of course that Reagan Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 I wonder if Obama's and Clinton's camp are both fighting behind the scenes to secure a Gore endorsement. That should be an interesting chess match. I suppose Gore's former Dean endorsement complicates things. Maybe Gore just stays out altogether. Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 I wonder if Obama's and Clinton's camp are both fighting behind the scenes to secure a Gore endorsement. That should be an interesting chess match. I suppose Gore's former Dean endorsement complicates things. Maybe Gore just stays out altogether.That would be smart if he did. His latest book is turning out to be quite good I think. I'm only about 50 pages in but it's blowing my mind - he's already brought up McLuhan and Thomas Paine. Link to post Share on other sites
lamradio Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Father/daughter talk... A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words redistribution of wealth. She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his. One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school. Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying. Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Audrey doing?" She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over." Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA." The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, "That's a crazy idea, how would that be fair! I've worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!" The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, "Welcome to the Republican party." If anyone has a better explanation of the difference between Republican and Democrat I'm all ears. Link to post Share on other sites
Reni Posted January 10, 2008 Author Share Posted January 10, 2008 So, what if much of the material wealth you have is afforded to you because of the crass exploitation of foreign labor, imperialist wars, the oppression of people through puppet governments and brutal regimes and institutionalized racism and sexism? Welcome to the Republican Party. Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Kinsley Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Or, based upon the look on Obama Link to post Share on other sites
Reni Posted January 10, 2008 Author Share Posted January 10, 2008 yeah, I was thinking the same thing - that picture isn't even recent. I'm sure it's from the night he gave that amazing speech. Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Father/daughter talk... A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words redistribution of wealth. She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his. One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school. Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying. Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Audrey doing?" She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over." Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA." The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, "That's a crazy idea, how would that be fair! I've worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!" The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, "Welcome to the Republican party." If anyone has a better explanation of the difference between Republican and Democrat I'm all ears. Everyone who is wealthy is a hard worker and everyone who is poor is a lazy drunk? Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Father/daughter talk... A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words redistribution of wealth. She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his...... (I won't quote the entire post.) The discussion could also incorporate how, we, the tax payer, are continually asked to bale out so and so industry because they, the airlines for example, mismanaged their business. Or, how, using tax dollars, we pay out huge subsidies to agribusiness, etc etc etc.... The discussion could also incorporate how, we, the tax payer, are continually asked to bale out so and so industry because they, the airlines for example, mismanaged their business. Or, how, using tax dollars, we pay out huge subsidies to agribusiness, etc etc etc... Peter Singer (I know, Singer again you Link to post Share on other sites
Gobias Industries Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Being Republican or Democrat isn't based on whether or not you want to keep your money - it's based on what government you want. Of course, it's a relatively moot point now, with the size of the government now, so it's basically a big government vs. a bigger government. You want a smaller government? Pay for everything yourself. You want a bigger government? Pay the government to take care of it for you. That's really how simple it is, for everything concerning the government except for a couple of institutions. Link to post Share on other sites
Edie Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Father/daughter talk... A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words redistribution of wealth. Blah Blah If anyone has a better explanation of the difference between Republican and Democrat I'm all ears. How is this at all the same? And doesn't much of the wealth that is given by Rs eventually help them too? Infrastrucure like schools, roads etc would not be possible without taxes. Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 It's funny how many people are willing to give their life for their country, but when you ask them to give some of their money for it... Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 I would like my government to make yard workers bag their leaves and clippings rather than power-blowing them into the street or onto the neighboring property which political party will help me achieve that goal? Link to post Share on other sites
lamradio Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 How is this at all the same? And doesn't much of the wealth that is given by Rs eventually help them too? Infrastrucure like schools, roads etc would not be possible without taxes. Right, and that is what taxes should be for... Not to pay for illegal immigrants to have free health care at your local clinic. My post is just an idea of what the Republican party should stand for. Yes there is a lot of corruption and opression in the republican party, but for individuals like you and me, if everyone had the idea of "I'm going to work as hard as I can to get what I want and not depend on anyone or any program" then this country would be a lot better.. And that is a fact.. Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Right, and that is what taxes should be for... Not to pay for illegal immigrants to have free health care at your local clinic.I didn't see the part of your post about the one chick giving up grade points for illegal immigrants... Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 One thing the media keeps neglecting to say when they talk about someone "winning" a primary is that you are only voting for delegates to a convention and that each state will send proportionally the number of delegates per votes for a candidate (am I wrong about this???) so that Iowa and New Hampshire and all these relatively small states mean squat in the big picture. This is still a significant race for both parties; no one has a lock on anything. This is not like the electoral college (in some cases it may be like that, but I am guessing not too many states.) LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
lamradio Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 I didn't see the part of your post about the one chick giving up grade points for illegal immigrants... I know, but when your talking taxes, you would be amazed how much money goes to that.. I know it because my mother works at a free clinic.. It's definitely not a Republican idea to give the illegal immigrants free healthcare.. Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 One thing the media keeps neglecting to say when they talk about someone "winning" a primary is that you are only voting for delegates to a convention and that each state will send proportionally the number of delegates per votes for a candidate (am I wrong about this???) so that Iowa and New Hampshire and all these relatively small states mean squat in the big picture. This is still a significant race for both parties; no one has a lock on anything. This is not like the electoral college (in some cases it may be like that, but I am guessing not too many states.) LouieBI believe Florida is winner-take-all, with 57 delegates. That's why Rudy G. has been down there for weeks and avoided IA and NH. Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 So let me get this straight, all Republicans think and the party platform is based upon:No Taxes at all, eliminate all government funding for infrastructure and education and all health programs.Wow, where do I sign up? Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 It's funny how many people are willing to give their life for their country, but when you ask them to give some of their money for it... The richest 1% of this country that doesn't want to give some (more) of their money to the government isn't exactly lining up to give their life for their country either. Link to post Share on other sites
Edie Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 I know, but when your talking taxes, you would be amazed how much money goes to that. It's more like this: DEFENSE HEALTHCARE TRANSPORTATION EDUCATION "free healthcare for immigrants" Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 It's more like this: DEFENSE HEALTHCARE TRANSPORTATION EDUCATION "free healthcare for immigrants" Yep. Link to post Share on other sites
lamradio Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Yep. Good point.. I can't argue with that one.. But it still doesn't make it right to give immigrants free health care.. It's giving them an invitation to come over here, live off of our government, commit crime, etc etc etc.. Hell, I don't blame the immigrants themselves though. Even though it's morally wrong, but I mean shit, they come from absolutely nothing.. Absolutly nothing in Mexico is worse than absolutely nothing in the U.S. Link to post Share on other sites
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