ShuckOwens Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Didn't McCains wife make her comments with her husband by her side at a campaign event of his? Sounds like a scriipted campaign response to garner the cheers. Yes there are actual people out there who believe that. Heck there are far more of them than you realize. Tune into the faux commentaries or go read some right wing websites or listen to right wing radio, it's out there en masse. Sad thing though is these people think anyone who challenges the president on anything somehow hates America. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beltmann Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 My favorite part of O'Reilly's stance regarding Michelle Obama was his assertion that he'll go after her if it's true that she believes America is a "flawed" nation. Which begs the question, who doesn't believe this country, or any country, could stand to be improved in some way? If speaking up about perceived "flaws" is how we should measure a lack of patriotism, then O'Reilly might the least patriotic person in America. After all, he spends all of his time pointing out the "flaws" he sees in American politics: liberals, gays, pro-choicers, etc. It's too easy to turn the rhetoric around: "You don't believe in abortion rights? Well, that's the law. That's America, man. Love it or leave it." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShuckOwens Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 he spends all of his time pointing out the "flaws" he sees in American politics: liberals, gays, pro-choicers, etc.Don't forget blacks. Dude's a big ol' racist. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Kinsley Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 But if I was Barack, I'd make sure a microphone never appears in front of her face before November. She understandably doesn't understand the game of politics. You just don't say crap like that. It doesn't sound right to a certain group of people.... I think Michelle Obama's straight-talk is somewhat refreshing. But I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND how her comments could rub some people the wrong way. And if Barack doesn't keep her comments behind closed doors, she ain't gonna help his run for President. Well put, but of course she's going to continue speaking out for her husband, I just hope she learned a lesson about political semantics. And I hope she doesn't turn into Theresa Heinz-Kerry. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 I wonder how many people rubbed the wrong way by Michelle Obama reserved equal harrumphs for O'Reilly? My guess: Not many. And my guess for why? Most don't really care about what Michelle Obama said, because deep down they know it was an innocent comment...Or, maybe because O'Reilly's husband isn't running for President. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Don't forget blacks. Dude's a big ol' racist.I don't know......how many other talk show folk have the Reverand Sharpton as a regular? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reni Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 She understandably doesn't understand the game of politics. What a crock. The woman is a highly educated and well respected attorney. I don't see why she "understandably" doesn't understand politics?? huh?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Speed Racer Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 NO NO NO! Michelle Obama is a HUGE asset to the campaign. Teresa Heinz Kerry was a straight-talker, but not about any of the campaign issues. Hers were micro-issue based and came off as lectures against the voters. It was like listening to your mother COMBINED with John Kerry. Michelle's status as a 'novice' (you're right, whomever said that she was a *very* experienced attorney - she could definitely talk a mean game if she needed to) and straight-talker is an excellent counter to Barack as he gets more polished. I said this once before, and I'll say it again: Hillary Clinton managed to do something in a few short months the Republicans had unsuccessfully tried for 8 years - she turned Dems against Bill. His comments are attack-based, and not once has Michelle spoken out against the Clintons in the same way they have her husband. Michelle's appeal is not to be discounted in this race. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jakobnicholas Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 What a crock. The woman is a highly educated and well respected attorney. I don't see why she "understandably" doesn't understand politics?? huh?? Based on the way she chooses her words, she must be a BRILLIANT attorney. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Speed Racer Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Based on the way she chooses her words, she must be a BRILLIANT attorney. Which words? What, exactly, did she say that you believe she shouldn't have? I still don't understand how "for the first time, I'm proud of my country" is a poor choice of words. Since you have a beef with that and I haven't met anyone else who does, what is it about that choice of words you dislike? And in case you're unfamiliar with the firm where she got her name, even underlings at Sidley & Austin can tie you in a knot with their eyes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beltmann Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Based on the way she chooses her words, she must be a BRILLIANT attorney.So you are willing to let one extremely minor slip-up (even that's a stretch, I think) to completely overshadow her considerable career achievements? Let me understand: Do you actually believe one single comment proves beyond doubt that she can't possibly have been a successful and capable attorney? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ikol Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 I love how the NY Times endorsed McCain while they were working on a hit piece on him. I guess they didn't want all their "hard work" to go to waste. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 NO NO NO! Michelle Obama is a HUGE asset to the campaign. Teresa Heinz Kerry was a straight-talker, but not about any of the campaign issues. Hers were micro-issue based and came off as lectures against the voters. It was like listening to your mother COMBINED with John Kerry. Michelle's status as a 'novice' (you're right, whomever said that she was a *very* experienced attorney - she could definitely talk a mean game if she needed to) and straight-talker is an excellent counter to Barack as he gets more polished. I said this once before, and I'll say it again: Hillary Clinton managed to do something in a few short months the Republicans had unsuccessfully tried for 8 years - she turned Dems against Bill. His comments are attack-based, and not once has Michelle spoken out against the Clintons in the same way they have her husband. Michelle's appeal is not to be discounted in this race.I've gotta say here that I've seen Michelle speak at length now a few times and I just completely fell in love with her. Barack certainly made the right decision when it came to choosing a partner-for-life. In other news, no one has commented on the debate tonight? I didn't listen to the experts afterwards but I thought HRC was pretty on the money most of the time - "Xerox" comment be damned. I think it was pretty close but Hill by a nose. It'll be interesting to see if Barack's momentum can be halted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Speed Racer Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 In other news, no one has commented on the debate tonight? I didn't listen to the experts afterwards but I thought HRC was pretty on the money most of the time - "Xerox" comment be damned. I think it was pretty close but Hill by a nose. It'll be interesting to see if Barack's momentum can be halted. I read a transcript part of the way through (I really can't stomach watching those things*), and I agree with you that they did pretty much come out even. I think the Democrats have two exceptional candidates this time around, but their campaign strategies and self-selling are what will really make the difference in this race. That being said, HRC pulled out a lot more hip-hop hollas (Ohio! What the fuck! Texas? Awwww yeah!) than Barack - a personal campaign peeve of mine. "I care about the people of America - especially the hard workers of Texas and Ohio." Really? You think Ohioans are more especial than Minnesotans? This week, or always? That, and HRC did more talking over the moderators, which is simply a blanket peeve of mine - and exactly the reason I can't watch debates. And you know what? I really think it's things I wrote in the middle paragraph that have swayed voters the most. Practically no one ever cites substance as the source of their love for Obama or HRC, it's usually "he/she isn't electable," or "he/she just rubs me the wrong way," or, "Did you here that asinine thing he/she said in [this state]?" No one says, "Eh, his fiscal policies are alright, but she can really drive the point home with that economic stimulus." *in fact, the last time I watched a debate my reaction was spot-on reenactment of Julianne Moore's "shut the fuck up" scene in Magnolia Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beltmann Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 *in fact, the last time I watched a debate my reaction was spot-on reenactment of Julianne Moore's "shut the fuck up" scene in Magnolia I thought the debate was civil, substantive, and won by Obama by a hair. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jakobnicholas Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Which words? What, exactly, did she say that you believe she shouldn't have? I still don't understand how "for the first time, I'm proud of my country" is a poor choice of words. Since you have a beef with that and I haven't met anyone else who does, what is it about that choice of words you dislike? I thought for the Obama campaign, words mean something. If I take her quote literally.....that she's never been proud of America until now.....that pisses me off and offends me. America has had many huge warts over its hundreds of years, but for anyone to not have been proud of America in their lifetime, that's just crazy talk. But I'm smart enough to know she didn't TRULY mean what it was she EXACTLY said. She was referring to the supposed seriousness and energy and enthusiasm that Americans are approaching the upcoming election with. (Hmm....I thought Americans were serious back in the election of 2000 or 2004.....but I guess they weren't, as a Republican won. I assume it's only when a Democrat wins the Presidency that we will know Americans rolled up their sleeves and took the election process seriously....what a crock a' shit!) I guarantee some Americans are going to read her quote, and be offended by it, not knowing the supposed context of her rambling. I like Dennis Miller's opinion on the subject: I think they both (Michelle and Barack) love their country. They're trying to get a big job. They want the big jet. All he has to do is come out and say "hope," "change," name the city he is in. "Hope," "change," name the city he's in. She should just stand there and sort of smile and go, I love my old man. He'll make a great president." When she starts talking like she's Gandhi or something, it's going to get weird. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Dennis Miller is an idiot. Michelle Obama is an educated, intelligent and accomplished woman. Why should she just relegate herself to being arm candy for her husband? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Interestingly enough, Dennis Miller stopped being funny right around the time he stopped giving it to the man, and started taking it. For proof of this, see also his new game show. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beltmann Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 I assume it's only when a Democrat wins the Presidency that we will know Americans rolled up their sleeves and took the election process seriously....what a crock a' shit!)Good grief. And yet you're not smart enough to understand that, in context, the comment had nothing to do with partisanship. Your (mis)interpretation, though, is profoundly colored by partisanship. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jakobnicholas Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Your (mis)interpretation, though, is profoundly colored by partisanship. Thank you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Nader to discuss election plans By SAM HANANEL, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 9 minutes ago Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 I don't think Dennis Miller is an idiot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Analogman Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Neither do I, but I do wonder what happened in his head to make him a Bush supporter. He's also a frequent guest on The O Quote Link to post Share on other sites
solace Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Neither do I, but I do wonder what happened in his head to make him a Bush supporter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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