mollyegan Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 So I'm sure that we've all seen the new Land Rover ads with The Flaming Lips' "Do You Realize??" off Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots. Can't really throw stones there...ahem. But I just about died last night watching late night T.V. Hand to god...a Kraft Salad Dressing commercial with "The Yeah Yeah Yeah Song (With All Your Power)" off At War With the Mystics (it may have been a different song-but definitely off that album). I was immediately reminded of Danny Miller's rebuttal to "the V.W. controversy." "you Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markosis Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 HOLY SHIT, YOUR AVATAR! Oh man, that sketch was classic. Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Drazil Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Dell Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 I made a decision to stop calling this sort of behavior selling out, and now refer to it as, jumping the shark. There are certainly exceptions, and let Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Again, who cares. It is their art to do what they wish with. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
borracho Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 gotta pay the bills to keep the UFO flying... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Again, who cares. It is their art to do what they wish with. Some people care Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mollyegan Posted March 14, 2008 Author Share Posted March 14, 2008 I actually don't care that much either way...maybe that's a lie. I kind of enjoy randomly hearing music I like at unexpected times. I certainly didn't mean to beat that dead horse, either. It just reminded me of Danny's blog is all. So carry on, folks. Nothing to see here! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Some people care Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Not getting into this again. That was sort of my point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scalzunfield Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Dell The WAND (used in the Dell) clip is just a sweet and easy riff that I thought would fit well in promotional spots the moment I heard it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jc4prez Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 well the lips dont really push the message in their songs anyway http://lastwaltzer.blogspot.com/2007/09/fl...adison-wis.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Oh god, not that again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jc4prez Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Oh god, not that again. why is the objectification of women not serious? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 There was a whole thread on this. I'm pretty sure you started it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Wayne has commented on how The Butthole Surfers used naked girls and fire to entertain an audience. Maybe thats entertainment for someone who would be going to a strip club but if I remember correctly I was at a concert not a topless bar. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jc4prez Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 There was a whole thread on this. I'm pretty sure you started it. Yeah it was me. The issue is extremely important weather its in regard to the lips or any other form of entertainment. Sexism is everywhere in our culture and personally I think its awful to see a band using a good message and not mean it. Wayne seems to be full of shit. I used to be a big supporter of The Lips but they dont practice what they preach. Its the exploitation of a good message to create a false image to help sell concert tickets. I fully believe in the right of artistic expression. I wouldn't have a problem with their show if they weren't verbally sending a contradictory message. Its one thing when they were doing this shit 10 years ago, when they were just another psychedelic rock band. But they have since become something very different. These guys have a huge impact on listeners and in process they are confusing them. First he is telling them to love everyone but then behind him theirs an image of a naked women, perfect build, hairless, and big breasts(all up to societies standards). What kind of message is that sending? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ms. yvon Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 I made a decision to stop calling this sort of behavior selling out, and now refer to it as, jumping the shark.b/c i recognize you as a stickler for info, you'll want to know that you are improperly using the phrase "jump the shark."that phrase means when a show has gotten so desperate to generate story lines that they become ridiculous. it's a reference to the happy days episode in which the fonzie is challenged to water ski jump a shark. that is all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted March 15, 2008 Share Posted March 15, 2008 b/c i recognize you as a stickler for info, you'll want to know that you are improperly using the phrase "jump the shark."that phrase means when a show has gotten so desperate to generate story lines that they become ridiculous. it's a reference to the happy days episode in which the fonzie is challenged to water ski jump a shark. that is all. From the urban dictionary: jump the shark 207 up, 17 down The precise moment when you know a program, band, actor, politician, or other public figure has taken a turn for the worse, gone downhill, become irreversibly bad, is unredeemable, etc.; the moment you realize decay has set in. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?...=jump+the+shark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OOO Posted March 15, 2008 Share Posted March 15, 2008 From the urban dictionary: jump the shark 207 up, 17 down The precise moment when you know a program, band, actor, politician, or other public figure has taken a turn for the worse, gone downhill, become irreversibly bad, is unredeemable, etc.; the moment you realize decay has set in. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?...=jump+the+shark Ms. Yvon, who is in the TV/movie industry VS. urban dictionary, which is a bunch of anoymous teenagers voting things up and down, though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted March 15, 2008 Share Posted March 15, 2008 From a USA Today article entitled - "Jump the Shark swims into net age vernacular" "But in cyberspace, where nitpicking has been honed to a fine art, Jump the Shark seems to have transcended its original meaning. "Clarence Thomas jumped the shark watching pornography, and Ken Starr writing it," Maureen Dowd quipped in a recent New York Times column. She goes on to add that Hillary Clinton "transcends mere jumping. She is the shark." Enthused Brian Lund, a writer and analyst for the financial site Motley Fool: "The great thing about 'jump the shark' is that you can apply it to almost anything." - USA Today http://www.usatoday.com/tech/2001-08-09-ne...terest.htm#more Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hype Repellent Posted March 15, 2008 Share Posted March 15, 2008 oh no! the Flaming Lips have images of naked girls at their show! Oh no! That's sexist! Come on. And for those saying they aren't "real" girls, they looked natural to me(no boob jobs). And who cares if they shave themselves? That's the way 99% of men prefer it so why wouldn't they? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted March 15, 2008 Share Posted March 15, 2008 Yeah it was me. The issue is extremely important weather its in regard to the lips or any other form of entertainment. Sexism is everywhere in our culture and personally I think its awful to see a band using a good message and not mean it. Wayne seems to be full of shit. I used to be a big supporter of The Lips but they dont practice what they preach. Its the exploitation of a good message to create a false image to help sell concert tickets. I fully believe in the right of artistic expression. I wouldn't have a problem with their show if they weren't verbally sending a contradictory message. Its one thing when they were doing this shit 10 years ago, when they were just another psychedelic rock band. But they have since become something very different. These guys have a huge impact on listeners and in process they are confusing them. First he is telling them to love everyone but then behind him theirs an image of a naked women, perfect build, hairless, and big breasts(all up to societies standards). What kind of message is that sending? The girls doing the posing don't seem to have any problem with it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jc4prez Posted March 15, 2008 Share Posted March 15, 2008 The girls doing the posing don't seem to have any problem with it. This goes out to Hype as well. Just because somebody goes along with something doesn't mean they aren't being objectified. And the point you made Hype hits the nail on the head. MEN LIKE WOMEN that way, not women naturally decided shaving their legs and pits was awesome. If women don't conform to these standards they will be ostracized by our society. A women with hair on her legs is natural. But being natural won't let her get a job on wall street, or a lead role in a movie. Society (run by rich white males) has shaped what it means to be a women, that idea doesn't sit well on my stomach. And any time a women goes against the grain of society she is labeled a feminist and for some reason that term has gotten a bad name in our culture. Most women need to play the game according to rules created by males in order to be successful. I'd call that oppression. The Lips putting these images on their screen is reenforcing societies stereotypes. Yet wayne babbles on about bringing people together and making a difference, I don't think those ideas go along with the oppression of women, something he is taking part in promoting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted March 15, 2008 Share Posted March 15, 2008 I'm not really going to debate this, since it's obvious you have your beliefs. I'm just going to go on record as saying I think it's ridiculous. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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