Wilco and atheism

[Spawn's dad]

who are you again?

[JUDE]

AM

BT

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YHF

AGIB

SBS

[Sir Stewart]

"What is going on?!"

[Spawn's dad]

Have I won any iPod accessories yet?

[Panther]

Please don

[Panther]

Hey, something weird just happened here. Who spiked my Coke Zero?

I had this page up, went away to get a hair cut and read through it when I returned. I then hit refresh to see if there were new posts and I could swear a post was missing? Did someone delete something? PANTHER or Markosis, I believe? Whoever it was, I liked what you'd said there.

 

that did happen, I thought I was loosing it wtf?

[bobbob1313]

"What is going on?!"

 

If this is a reference to the Joe Schmo show I might kiss you.

[Guest Jules]

If this is a reference to the Joe Schmo show I might kiss you.

[caliber66]

I think she's saying "I've got sand in my booty!"

[embiggen]

did Jesus lie?

[Good Old Neon]

did Jesus lie?

 

This sounds about right (from the section, Was Jesus a Real Person):

 

 

[bjorn_skurj]

This sounds about right (from the section, Was Jesus a Real Person):

 

"The reality is there is not one shred of secular evidence there ever was a Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ and Christianity is a modern religion. And Jesus Christ is a compilation from other gods: Osiris, Mithras, who had the same origins, the same death as the mythological Jesus Christ." - Ellen Johnson, atheist

 

But you sort of almost had to assume that the messiah has his own magazine with centerfolds and everything....

 

Sister Mary Catherine - June 08

 

One might dispute exactly who Jesus of Nazareth was, but I kind of doubt he was made up from thin air.

[sweetheart-mine]

One might dispute exactly who Jesus of Nazareth was, but I kind of doubt he was made up from thin air.

i doubt that also.

 

signed, s-m, agnostic

[Good Old Neon]

It's certainly open to debate.

 

http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

[sweetheart-mine]

It's certainly open to debate.

 

http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

thank you, i am going to read and absorb that, seriously. (though not tonight . . . sox game on.)

 

in the meantime, i saw jesus on a piece of toast in some post a week or two ago.

[Party @ the Moontower]

[Sweet Papa Crimbo]

 

 

My mind is clearer now

At last

All too well

I can see

Where we all

Soon will be

If you strip away

The myth

From the man

You will see

Where we all

Soon will be

 

Jesus!

You've started to believe

The things they say of you

You really do believe

This talk of God is true

 

And all the good you've done

Will soon be swept away

You've begun to matter more

Than the things you say

 

Listen Jesus

I don't like what I see

All I ask is that you listen to me

And remember

I've been your right hand man all along

You have set them all on fire

They think they've found the new Messiah

And they'll hurt you when they find they're wrong

 

I remember when this whole thing began

No talk of God then, we called you a man

And believe me

My admiration for you hasn't died

But every word you say today

Gets twisted 'round some other way

And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied

 

Nazareth's most famous son

Should have stayed a great unknown

Like his father carving wood

He'd have made good

Tables, chairs and oaken chests

Would have suited Jesus best

He'd have caused nobody harm

No one alarm

 

Listen Jesus, do you care for your race?

Don't you see we must keep in our place?

We are occupied

Have you forgotten how put down we are?

I am frightened by the crowd

For we are getting much too loud

And they'll crush us if we go too far

If we go too far

 

Listen Jesus to the warning I give

Please remember that I want us to live

But it's sad to see our chances weakening with ev'ry hour

All your followers are blind

Too much heaven on their minds

It was beautiful, but now it's sour

Yes it's all gone sour

Ah --- ah ah ah --- ah

God Jesus, it's all gone sour

 

Listen Jesus to the warning I give

Please remember that I want us to live

So come on, come on, listen to me.

Ah --- ah

Come on, listen, listen to me.

Come on and listen to me.

Ah --- ah

[Sweet Papa Crimbo]

[sweetheart-mine]

it's curious how often non-obama-supporters paint obama as a substitute for jesus or other religious character, as if obama supporters are delusional and see in him a pie-in-the-sky savior or messiah rather than just a politician who might not be quite as selfish, greedy, and lacking in integrity as the average politician. it's not exactly complicated to get, when you look at the last eight years and consider why people might be looking for a decent human being to lead the country. who needs some idealized figure? compared to what we've had, an intelligent and fresh human leader with a non-neocon vision is hardly far out. not that i'm trying to convince anybody, but that savior stuff gets downright silly.

 

 

 

[Party @ the Moontower]

it's curious how often non-obama-supporters paint obama as a substitute for jesus, as if obama supporters are delusional and see in him a pie-in-the-sky savior or messiah rather than just a politician who might not be quite as selfish, greedy, and lacking in integrity as the average politician. it's not exactly complicated to get, when you look at the last eight years and consider why people might be looking for a decent human being to lead the country. who needs some idealized figure? compared to what we've had, an intelligent and fresh human leader with a non-neocon vision is hardly far out. not that i'm trying to convince anybody, but that savior stuff gets downright silly.

 

 

 

 

 

That's pre slicely why I posted that pic. I am a bit tired of my political intelligence being chalked up to some Obama-mania I've been inflicted with. I need an overpriced useless drug prescribed by a Dr. I can't afford to help get the Obama outa me.

[bobbob1313]

at the beginning of his campaign, much of the support seemed unfounded and highly overhyped. I don't think it holds weight now, but at the beginning, with the whole change thing and all that, it's not a stretch to say many did lionize him.

[sweetheart-mine]

That's pre slicely why I posted that pic. I am a bit tired of my political intelligence being chalked up to some Obama-mania I've been inflicted with. I need an overpriced useless drug prescribed by a Dr. I can't afford to help get the Obama outa me.

oh i understood that, truly.

[sweetheart-mine]

at the beginning of his campaign, much of the support seemed unfounded and highly overhyped. I don't think it holds weight now, but at the beginning, with the whole change thing and all that, it's not a stretch to say many did lionize him.

i can see why the support might have come across that way in the beginning, because (1) a lot of people actually were on the ecstatic side to find a kind of opposite-of-bush politician of all things stepping up, and (2) the media created the "rock star" label, which was ridiculous. the label lasted far longer for obama than it did for palin, which is kind of unfortunate for obama.

[bobbob1313]

From what I've seen personally, it wasn't a media creation.

[TheMaker]

True enough. The McCain camp is to blame for much - if not all - of that perception, in fairness. Just like Sarah Palin is to blame for the general perception that she is a rural bumbler, an archaic and superstitious fool, a shrill "hockey mom," a fiscally incompetent and generally untrustworthy imbecile, and so forth. She is to be lauded, I suppose, for shoring up support in spite of this image from strange, ignorant people who do not find her very existence appalling beyond the pale. To the stupid, being Sarah Palin is better than being "elitist."

 

(Dictionary definition of elitism: e