the third clinton amdminastartion

[MrRain422]

I disagree Ralph Nader is doing more by running for president than anything thing else. The point is that there despratly needs to be a third party in power to reverse the american empire and the sooner liberaals realise that the sooner we get real change. By the way all these personal attacks are insane you don't know these people you don't know Obama.

The way you all talk is really strange the judgments you make are out of line talk about the issue or the substence of what he is saying. You'll probaly find that you agree.

 

Except that no one here has really come out against Nader for his message, just for his tactics. If he really wanted a competitive third party, then he would do something to build up a third party. He has done exactly zero to help the growth of a third party.

[Panther]

Except that no one here has really come out against Nader for his message, just for his tactics. If he really wanted a competitive third party, then he would do something to build up a third party. He has done exactly zero to help the growth of a third party.

 

well I see what your saying but no hes done more than exactly zero hes done more than Obama of course.

[MrRain422]

Obama isn't claiming to be advancing third parties.

 

What has Nader done that has made any third party, or third parties generally, more viable in the last 8 years?

[Panther]

Well yeah I know that , Hes has run for president for the green party what are you talking about. Im saying hes the answer Im just saying liberals have turned on this guy in a weird way. By the way what is Obama claiming to be advancing nothing exactly, he won the presidency by saying the word "change".

 

By the way dose anyone here actually belive that Obama is the one picking his cabinet or secrtary of state or any of that shit.

Im sure he has influence but its not him it never is the public "him".

[bjorn_skurj]

If Obama is the tool of the Bilderbergers/Illuminati/NWO, then I guess they are picking his cabinet people too. Now, what if Nader is part of the conspiracy too? After all, his unattractive petulance and strident annoyingness turns people off to his ideas, and isn't that what "they" want?

[Panther]

If Obama is the tool of the Bilderbergers/Illuminati/NWO, then I guess they are picking his cabinet people too. Now, what if Nader is part of the conspiracy too? After all, his unattractive petulance and strident annoyingness turns people off to his ideas, and isn't that what "they" want?

 

I dunt no man thats sounds kinda out there. Joking I supose thats possible I dont really like Nader all that much I mean he is a politician.

I personaly like what I know about Obamas history the fact that he has risen to power is intresting but he is in line with all of "they" at this point.

I mean its not some secret conspiracy it open and obvious CFR united states senate lol you know. Im not saying anything radical. Do I think that their is an international conspiracy being pushed by very wealthy people yes but politics is simply a game and Obama is simply doing well in his field Im sure hes proud of what he has done.

[mountain bed]

Obama has done more than "well" - he ran the best campaign anyone alive has ever seen, and changed the way campaigns in the future will be run. He should be proud. But he seems well aware that the 2 year campaign was just the coin toss - now the heavy hitting begins.

[andshewas]

Going slightly off subject: this PANTHER guy sounds exactly like my ex-boyfriend [and spells like him, too! ]. He informed me a couple of weeks before the election that he was voting for Nader, and couldn't give a decent excuse for wasting his vote on him. He just babbled on about how there needs to be a viable third-party candidate.

 

While he talked about that silliness, I was thinking this: if there was going to be a viable third-party or independent candidate, why isn't there someone following Ross Perot's example?

Really, the '96 election was the closest that a third-party or independent guy got to the Presidency...

[MrRain422]

Ralph Nader has no interest in growing third parties. Has he ever lent his support to a third party candidate, for any office, other than himself? He doesn't care if third parties grow, he just wants his own name and face in the news. If he really had interest in helping third parties, he would actually try to do something that would help them.

[Good Old Neon]

I don

[WilcoFan]

I agree with Nader here. I really like Obama and I hope that he can deliver what he said he would; but I don't see that happening by bringing in Washington insiders. Come on people, Tom Daschle. Are you kidding me?

 

I agree with the All Clinton all the time quote too. Now I know what Hillary Clinton means when she says she is still "negotiating" an agreement for the SoS position. This is the kind of job you take to serve the country when the president asks you to do it. -- Not negotiate the terms and conditions.

[bigshoulders]

Nader is like really old

[JUDE]

This is the kind of job you take to serve the country when the president asks you to do it. -- Not negotiate the terms and conditions.

 

I'm sure she's looking for some sort of guarantee that if she gives up her Senate seat and takes the post she won't get fired. I can't blame her for that, after all this is politics here.

[Panther]

Obama has done more than "well" - he ran the best campaign anyone alive has ever seen, and changed the way campaigns in the future will be run. He should be proud. But he seems well aware that the 2 year campaign was just the coin toss - now the heavy hitting begins.

 

Two years ago I was certain that Hilary Clinton would be the president I knew who Obama was and actually belived that he was anti-war.

I would definetly consider myself to be jadded because once it looked like he was wining I became skeptical and for good reason.

I still like what he has done in his past as a community organizer but besides his initial remarks against the war in iraq Obama has proven to be a another pro war democrat.

Did any of you catch Michale Moore on Larry King recently ? well he was going on about how amazing it is that the anti war canidiate actually won this time,

that is sad but fitting a fraud standing up for a fraud.

 

Obama has done more than "well" - he ran the best campaign anyone alive has ever seen, and changed the way campaigns in the future will be run. He should be proud. But he seems well aware that the 2 year campaign was just the coin toss - now the heavy hitting begins.

 

I dont get all the praise that he gets for his campaign, yeah it was amazing but so what. what are you a political science student who apriciates how good of a politician(liar) he is.

Does the fact that he has made campaigning more basic less about the issues and more about image than ever give you hope? I think it gives Palin a better shot for next time ,

or whatever other stooge the republicans come up with next. What we should learn from his campaign is that the internet can bring the rise of a third party.

 

After saying all that I am glad that Obama won and if we hold him responsible maybe they won't get away with another false war.

[mountain bed]

Yep. That's me - a political science student. I'm so gullible I fall in love with anyone who can articulate the King's English so eloquently.

 

And speaking of Michael Moore - I would think you would have loved his appearance of Larry King, PANTHER. Especially the part where he said (I'm paraphrasing here), "What we're looking at with the decline in the financial and automotive industries is the collapse of American Capitalism as we know it...and I say 'good riddance'." Profound, huh?

[Panther]

Yep. That's me - a political science student. I'm so gullible I fall in love with anyone who can articulate the King's English so eloquently.

 

And speaking of Michael Moore - I would think you would have loved his appearance of Larry King, PANTHER. Especially the part where he said (I'm paraphrasing here), "What we're looking at with the decline in the financial and automotive industries is the collapse of American Capitalism as we know it...and I say 'good riddance'." Profound, huh?

 

I honestly didn't mean that as an insult I wish I took political science good for you. No I don't love those coments I think Mr. Moore is either insane confused or a disinformation agent, he says good riddence to American Capitalism I thought he was the man of the people well good riddence to millions of jobs, thats fucked what an asshole.

Call me crazy but I don't think the U.S.A is built for socialism . I suppose we'll just have to see how it goes. hopefully Obama has the people in mind.

 

highwater everywhere

[Edie]

I still like what he has done in his past as a community organizer but besides his initial remarks against the war in iraq Obama has proven to be a another pro war democrat.

 

Dude -- you realize that he isn't actually president yet, don't you?

[mountain bed]

Fair enough. I don't know what's going on in Barack's head but I will believe (at this point) that he does, in fact, have the interests of the people as a whole in mind.

[Panther]

Dude -- you realize that he isn't actually president yet, don't you?

 

 

I don't see your point, I didn't say he has proven to be another pro war president I said pro war democrat which he has.

[Edie]

Hasn't he said he is committed to ending the war in Iraq? What makes you think he is deciding not to now?

[Panther]

Hasn't he said he is committed to ending the war in Iraq? What makes you think he is deciding not to now?

 

Well besides what he has said about Iran , do ya'll rember the first democratic debate? there is all this.

 

Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries

Topic subject Obama's PRO-WAR RECORD

Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

4643795, Obama's PRO-WAR RECORD

Posted by ElsewheresDaughter on Mon Feb-18-08 12:02 PM

 

A PRO-WAR RECORD

 

 

 

Then there

[Panther]

http://kassandraproject.wordpress.com/2008...rahmbo-emanuel/

Obama

[Moe_Syzlak]

So, ummm, what do you think of Stephen Harper?

[Panther]

So, ummm, what do you think of Stephen Harper?

 

i'll answer that seriously. I think he is a false conservative buisnessman who is infavor of the American agenda. The fact that he does not have a majority goverment is the only thing holding his people back. The truth about Canadian politics though is monarchy we have a very English system and compared to your country a civllian like myself has no say.

The prime minister / fedral goverment has much more power over the canadian provences than the Prisedent has over the american states. That being said our political system on average dose not produce the same insane characters that yours dose. Their is no Canadian agenda affecting the world . We do go along with the western empire and as the years go by we are becoming one big stinking country thats hard to stop. Our elections are not about issues its very childish the NDP gains ground we have another minority.

At the same time the canadian banks have been protected we are relativly secure and considering our population NDP style socilism works on a community level.

[bjorn_skurj]

There is no "Canadian agenda" affecting the world because Canada is not that big of a country - a little more than a 10th of the U.S. population and less than a tenth of the U.S. GDP. Whether crazy, sane or somewhere in between, the U.S. agenda cannot help but affect the world, which is why most non-Americans (except your esteemed self, apparently) were over-fucking-joyed that Obama won.