Now I remember why I was an independent all those years.

[Panther]

Since your reply is disproportionaly more aggressive than my own, in which I was trying to be half way fair, I’m just going to take the gloves off and tell it like it is - you’re a total fucking moron - really, it‘s true. The same moron who, shortly after the swine flu outbreak, started ranting about quarantines and government crack downs, the impending switch to the Amero, and a dozen or so other things, all of which, as was pointed out to you, were works of fiction. The same moron who derided someone for pointing out that, no, swine flu cannot actually be contracted by eating pork - yes, that moron.

 

Is there a moneyed class that manipulates policy, both financial and social, for its own benefit, absolutely, as has been the case from the beginning - hell, that sort of behavior can be found in primates, among other mammals. There’s nothing new about your “news” - and just as there has always been greed and selfishness, so to with crackpot conspiracy theorists such as yourself.

 

Tell me, where is the Amero at today, the same Amero you predicted would be rolled out within the six months or so, about six months ago?

 

just because its an obvious fact that the "world" is run by a "moneyed" class dose not mean that it dose not play into this debate.

I understand your fustration with this type of rhetoric and can see how its irelevent to the details of a discussion on health care among other things, but is it not fair to be of the opinion that a disscussion regarding american politics is inherently idiotic . the reason being that the same tricks are being played and the same people who blasted Bush are defending Obama. I could go into detail and I understand why liberals feel they must defend The President and why conservaties feel they must HATE him but i dont feel that those feelings are of intelligence.

 

regarding the kind of n.w.o fema camps are coming rhetoric that is around and in some mislead casses part of the far right in these tea part rallies let me say this. The ruling elite dose not want to imprision and poision everyone , they already have us trapped in their system but what if the system collaplses which is seemingly possible would they not go to every measure to keep their power and control? if their brilliant civilization came apart? would you put anything!! past them?

 

In conclusion to quote George Carlin fromone of his last hbo specials "life is worth losing"

"you have no choice, you have owners they own you, they own everything"

"its a big club and you and I are not in it"

 

 

continue with the wonderful debate of details being honest I have only read some of these replies in truth I have no intrest in such things

which is why i can understand fustraion on the part of others for taking up space with seemingly unrelated material.

[bleedorange]

Are you familiar with the full story? Limbaugh’s rant was sparked by a story regarding a fight on a school bus, which, Limbaugh and his ilk turned into a racial incident, an example of what happens to white people in “Obama’s America.” If you don’t find that repulsive, and equally as insane, well, I can’t help you. What the fuck a fight on a school bus has to do with Obama and his vision for America, well, I’ll never know, you’ll have to ask a crazed asshole like Limbaugh for the answer to that one.

 

What do you think Limbaugh's respone would have been if Bush were still in office? McCain? Do you think he would have used a fight on a school bus to illustrate what happens in Bush or McCain's America?

 

Edit: As a conservative, rather than criticize Sullivan, you ought be thankful for the fact that he is one amongst a very small group of sane conservatives who are trying to save the movement from the influence of useless shitbags like Limbaugh.

 

And here I thought there might be room for rational discussion.

 

You have completely missed the point. Limbaugh wasn't on some "rant" or turning it into a racial incident. He was saying that because of the environment that now exists as a result of Obama's election and the knee-jerk reaction by most on the left to make anything and everything about race, then that is how incidents such as these should be viewed. That "obviously" since a bunch of black kids beat up a white kid, it "had" to be because of race.

 

I used to like Sullivan, until he endorsed Obama. Anyone who lines up behind someone who represents the exact opposite of conservative thought shouldn't be considered a conservative, much less a "sane" one.

[futureage1]

just because its an obvious fact that the "world" is run by a "moneyed" class dose not mean that it dose not play into this debate.

I understand your fustration with this type of rhetoric and can see how its irelevent to the details of a discussion on health care among other things, but is it not fair to be of the opinion that a disscussion regarding american politics is inherently idiotic . the reason being that the same tricks are being played and the same people who blasted Bush are defending Obama. I could go into detail and I understand why liberals feel they must defend The President and why conservaties feel they must HATE him but i dont feel that those feelings are of intelligence.

 

regarding the kind of n.w.o fema camps are coming rhetoric that is around and in some mislead casses part of the far right in these tea part rallies let me say this. The ruling elite dose not want to imprision and poision everyone , they already have us trapped in their system but what if the system collaplses which is seemingly possible would they not go to every measure to keep their power and control? if their brilliant civilization came apart? would you put anything!! past them?

 

In conclusion to quote George Carlin fromone of his last hbo specials "life is worth losing"

"you have no choice, you have owners they own you, they own everything"

"its a big club and you and I are not in it"

 

 

continue with the wonderful debate of details being honest I have only read some of these replies in truth I have no intrest in such things

which is why i can understand fustraion on the part of others for taking up space with seemingly unrelated material.

 

Weren't you the guy posting Alex Jones talking points? A couple months ago you were convinced of the camps. That's right they don't want to imprison you. But thanks to you going off about camps no one takes the credible information seriously. Don't tell me about FEMA camps you idiot I'm the one who told they don't exist and have since you posted that shit on this board. I don't care what you find of intelligence most of your posts are severely lacking in that department.

[futureage1]

Since your reply is disproportionaly more aggressive than my own, in which I was trying to be half way fair, I’m just going to take the gloves off and tell it like it is - you’re a total fucking moron - really, it‘s true. The same moron who, shortly after the swine flu outbreak, started ranting about quarantines and government crack downs, the impending switch to the Amero, and a dozen or so other things, all of which, as was pointed out to you, were works of fiction. The same moron who derided someone for pointing out that, no, swine flu cannot actually be contracted by eating pork - yes, that moron.

 

Is there a moneyed class that manipulates policy, both financial and social, for its own benefit, absolutely, as has been the case from the beginning - hell, that sort of behavior can be found in primates, among other mammals. There’s nothing new about your “news” - and just as there has always been greed and selfishness, so to with crackpot conspiracy theorists such as yourself.

 

Tell me, where is the Amero at today, the same Amero you predicted would be rolled out within the six months or so, about six months ago? As for cliches, that's rich, as I read the same shit, with the same tired predictions twenty or more years ago, and he we are, twenty years later, and dipshits such as yourself are still repeating the same old tired bullshit - 50 years from now, our grandchildren will be listening to the same tired bullshit.

 

Read the headlines. Well if I'm not mistaken they are talking quarantines this fall. You act like I want to be right. I hope I am wrong but something is up for almost 6months worth of talk about it. I don't care what you believe or not. I'm not here to convince you. Did I not make that clear? I said stop bringing it up because we don't agree. I'm not bringing it into discussions. Like I said you are and are short on facts to back up your claims. But I could care less to prove you wrong because no matter what I presented you would say it's not true, so there it is and leave at that you infantile prick. And fuck you already you arrogant asshole. You treat people like shit and expect to have civil discussions? I'm sure a lot of people would like to say that because miraculously you are somehow never wrong. But be a big man and tell everyone how everybody is stupid and wrong but you. Big internet tough guy. Good luck with that.

[caliber66]

You treat people like shit and expect to have civil discussions?

The irony is getting pretty thick in here.

[Good Old Neon]

And here I thought there might be room for rational discussion.

 

You have completely missed the point. Limbaugh wasn't on some "rant" or turning it into a racial incident. He was saying that because of the environment that now exists as a result of Obama's election and the knee-jerk reaction by most on the left to make anything and everything about race, then that is how incidents such as these should be viewed. That "obviously" since a bunch of black kids beat up a white kid, it "had" to be because of race.

 

I used to like Sullivan, until he endorsed Obama. Anyone who lines up behind someone who represents the exact opposite of conservative thought shouldn't be considered a conservative, much less a "sane" one.

 

First - The Newsweek article Limbaugh is completely mischaracterizing relates to the book NurtureShock, which, if Rush, actually read it, or even had the first fucking clue as to what the article is about, he wouldn’t have said what he said. Whether his mischaracterization of the article was intentional or not, I do not know, but given his record of lying, I’m no longer willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I’m reading the book, and I’ll go into detail when I’ve completed it - though I can say I’ve read the section on racial attitudes as they relate to children, and there is nothing controversial about it - it’s based on, like, fucking science, something Rush would rather ignore, as it does not support his bullshit right-wing fever dream.

 

Second - Contrary to what Rush may believe, or, rather, would like his listeners to believe, the fight in question HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE, period. It took place over a seat. And as such, why even mention Obama in reference to the incident? The two are in NO WAY related. In fact, why mention it at all? It was an entirely unremarkable incident, cynically seized upon by the right to capitalize politically at the president's expense.

 

As for Sullivan’s sanity, his reasons for supporting Obama are his own - and he also supported Bush, who, by any measure you choose to measure Obama by, was also not a conservative. If you haven’t already, I would recommend reading Sullivan’s “The Conservative Soul” - a beautifully impassioned defense of traditional, rational conservatism, not the batshit crazy movement it has become.

[ikol]

Second - Contrary to what Rush may believe, or, rather, would like his listeners to believe, the fight in question HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE, period. It took place over a seat. And as such, why even mention Obama in reference to the incident? The two are in NO WAY related. In fact, why mention it at all? It was an entirely unremarkable incident, cynically seized upon by the right to capitalize politically at the president's expense.

 

I'm no Rush fan (at least not of the Limabaugh variety) and have not wasted any time reading or listening to the comments being discussed, but I believe bleedorange's point is that Rush was sarcastically attributing the fight to racism to point out the ridiculousness of how every criticism of Obama is accused of being due to racism.

[Good Old Neon]

Read the headlines. Well if I'm not mistaken they are talking quarantines this fall. You act like I want to be right. I hope I am wrong but something is up for almost 6months worth of talk about it. I don't care what you believe or not. I'm not here to convince you. Did I not make that clear? I said stop bringing it up because we don't agree. I'm not bringing it into discussions. Like I said you are and are short on facts to back up your claims. But I could care less to prove you wrong because no matter what I presented you would say it's not true, so there it is and leave at that you infantile prick. And fuck you already you arrogant asshole. You treat people like shit and expect to have civil discussions? I'm sure a lot of people would like to say that because miraculously you are somehow never wrong. But be a big man and tell everyone how everybody is stupid and wrong but you. Big internet tough guy. Good luck with that.

 

I’m not making any claims, at least not in relation to our discussion. You, however, have made many claims over the past few months, most if not all of which, quite predictably, have not come to pass - why? Because they were based almost entirely on wild speculation. I continue to reference the Amero because it was a topic you defended vociferously, even after it was discredited. As for quarantines, you also mischaracterized them as being nefarious, you also mention martial law, when, in fact, quarantines are one of the most effective, reliable methods by which to slow the spread of disease. You also started a thread entitled “Trailer for The New World Order Conspiracy” which, really fucking unfortunately, appears to be broken, otherwise, it too could be mined for some priceless little nuggets.

 

Some of the information you post is perfectly credible, but then you post stuff that is just as loony as much of the stuff coming from the right, and then you conflate the two, discrediting the factual, and, in your mind at least, buttressing the specious.

 

I apologize for the childish name calling, I wont’ try to justify it.

 

p.s. - I'm not only an internet tough guy, I'm also pretty fucking capable in real life as well

[Tweedling]

Is man capable of socialism? I mean seriously. Isn't it "our" nature to be somewhat selfish?

 

Also, I'd like to add I think the bus driver should have his ass kicked for letting that go on as long as it did. I'm just sayin'.

[Sweet Papa Crimbo]

Dueling 'racist' claims defuse once powerful word

 

By JESSE WASHINGTON, AP National Writer Jesse Washington, Ap National Writer

Thu Sep 17, 2:20 pm ET

 

Everybody's racist, it seems.

 

Republican Rep. Joe Wilson? Racist, because he shouted "You lie!" at the first black president. Health care protesters, affirmative action supporters? Racist. And Barack Obama? He's the "Racist in Chief," wrote a leader of the recent conservative protest in Washington.

 

But if everybody's racist, is anyone?

 

The word is being sprayed in all directions, creating a hall of mirrors that is draining the scarlet R of its meaning and its power, turning it into more of a spitball than a stigma.

 

"It gets to the point where we don't have a word that we use to call people racist who actually are," said John McWhorter, who studies race and language at the conservative Manhattan Institute.

 

"The more abstract and the more abusive we get in the way we use the words, then the harder it is to talk about what we originally meant by those terms," he said.

 

What the word once meant — and still does in Webster's dictionary — is someone who believes in the inherent superiority of a particular race or is prejudiced against others.

 

This definition was ammunition for the civil rights movement, which 50 years ago used a strategy of confronting racism to build moral leverage and obtain equal rights.

 

Overt bigotry waned, but many still see shadows of prejudice across the landscape and cry racism. Obama's spokesman has rejected suggestions that racism is behind criticism of the president, but others saw Wilson's eruption during the presidents' speech as just that.

 

"I think (Wilson's outburst) is based on racism," former President Jimmy Carter said at a town hall meeting. "There is an inherent feeling among many in this country that an African-American should not be president."

 

That's an easy charge to make against the rare individual carrying an "Obamacare" sign depicting the president as an African witch doctor with a bone through his nose. But it's almost impossible to prove — or refute — assertions that bias, and not raw politics, fuels opposition to Obama.

 

"You have to be very careful about going down that road. You've cried wolf," said Sean Wilentz, a Princeton University professor who studies U.S. political and social history.

 

"It's a way of interpreting the world, where race runs through everything — everything is about race," said Wilentz, who supported Hillary Clinton in 2008 and claimed Obama's campaign falsely accused her of stoking racial fears.

 

"Everything is not about race," he said. "It's not Mississippi in 1965 any more. Even in Mississippi it's not Mississippi in 1965 any more."

 

Still, race remains a major factor in American life, said Brian D. Smedley, director of the health policy institute at the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies, which focuses on people of color.

 

"We know from a large body of social science that a large portion of Americans harbor racial bias," Smedley said. "In the context of health reform, it's quite evident that race plays a very large role in helping shape public opinion."

 

Yet Smedley chooses not to deploy the R-word: "It's difficult to say racism is the reason (for objections to health care) because people don't believe they are racist."

 

Many, though, have no doubt that other people are racist — even when those other people are black.

 

The Manhattan Institute's McWhorter said that during the affirmative action battles of the 1990s, "racism" and "racist" began to be applied to liberal policies designed to redress past discrimination, then were extended to people who believed in those policies.

 

That's how they have come to be wielded against Obama.

 

"A racist is a person who discriminates or holds prejudices based on race. Discrimination is treatment based on category rather than individual merit," said Tom Molloy, a 65-year-old retired financial services executive from Brentwood, N.H. "Barack Obama favors policies that will give preference to groups based on race rather than individual merit. It's called affirmative action."

 

Mark Williams, one of the leaders of the Sept. 12 rallies in Washington D.C., headlined a blog entry about the arrest of black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. at his own home by a white police officer, "Racist In Chief Obama Fanning Flames of Racism." And too many bloggers to count are saying that Congressman Jim Clyburn, who marched with Martin Luther King Jr. and has called Wilson and other health care protesters racist, is the real racist himself.

 

This infinite loop is the inevitable result of years of black identity politics, which created a blueprint for whites who feel threatened by America's changing demographics, says Carol Swain, a Vanderbilt University professor and author of "The New White Nationalism In America."

 

"We need to rethink what is racist and who can legitimately call whom racist," Swain said, citing the argument that blacks can't be racist because racism requires power.

 

"With a black president, a black attorney general, and blacks holding various power positions around the country, now might be a time when we can concede that anyone can express attitudes and actions that others can justifiably characterize as racist."

 

Perhaps this is even a strange symbol of racial progress — equal-opportunity victimization, so to speak.

 

"In 100 years, when people chronicle how America got past race," said McWhorter, "the uptick in white people calling blacks racist is going to be seen as a symptom of the end."

[mountain bed]

Is man capable of socialism? I mean seriously. Isn't it "our" nature to be somewhat selfish?

 

I think so. But I'm a dreamer. Maybe we just need some of Owsley's finest in our water supply.

[Sir Stewart]

During the opening days of the Obama administration, I slept with a black girl. If that's what happens to white people in Obama's America, then I am all for it.

 

[Good Old Neon]

That stat does not, as you said, "clearly" show Obama's proposals are unwanted. Two arguments:

 

1. Most people aren't catastrophically ill, and therefore most people are happy to report satisfaction with their insurance. But if they become catastrophically ill, they may find themselves far less enamored with their current plan. It's easy to be "OK" with your plan while it's working, and not worry about later when you might be hit with denial of coverage, rescission, or a lifetime benefit cap. In other words, 80% might be currently happy, but that doesn't mean they always will be. Such polls might prove that insurance companies do a decent job taking care of the healthy majority, but they don't prove that they do a good job taking care of the sick minority. Why should the majority care about what's happening to the minority? Because eventually we all join the sick minority, and it could happen sooner than we expect.

 

 

 

As illustrated in real reality:

 

[Tweedling]

I think so. But I'm a dreamer. Maybe we just need some of Owsley's finest in our water supply.

I'll drink to that.

[Good Old Neon]

And here I thought there might be room for rational discussion.

 

You have completely missed the point. Limbaugh wasn't on some "rant" or turning it into a racial incident. He was saying that because of the environment that now exists as a result of Obama's election and the knee-jerk reaction by most on the left to make anything and everything about race, then that is how incidents such as these should be viewed. That "obviously" since a bunch of black kids beat up a white kid, it "had" to be because of race.

 

I used to like Sullivan, until he endorsed Obama. Anyone who lines up behind someone who represents the exact opposite of conservative thought shouldn't be considered a conservative, much less a "sane" one.

 

What we have here, is a failure to extrapolate.

 

As there is another, even more insidious form of bias percolating in the dark underbelly of our society, and like a cancer, it is destroying this country from within - I refer, of course, to Liberal Media Bias. Yes, Liberal Media Bias. You’ve seen it, it’s everywhere, and it’s keeping our rich white brothers and sisters down. For example, Liberal Media Bias is responsible for destroying the career of Sarah Palin, one of the conservative movements brightest, a beacon on the hill, she who shone with the light of a bajillion stars. Oh my brothers and sisters, you saw it with your very own eyes, you bore witness as she was mercifully attacked by Liberal Elites, always with their questions, the poking and the prodding, the constant questions, “what newspapers do you read?”, “what sort of foreign policy experience do you posses?” - when have you ever witnessed such mistreatment, such venom, such, such, such biassss?!?!

 

But seriously, Rush Limbaugh, scratch that, the entire right wing political establishment has built it’s foundation upon the proposition that they are victims of bias, which, in reality, is a work of fiction. Sarah Palin can’t put together a sentence, Liberal Media Bias, George Bush is criticized for, well, just about anything, with the most delicate kid gloves imaginable I might add, Liberal Media Bias, you name it, and these whiny little assholes will cry bias. If you just arrived here from another planet, you couldn’t be blamed for thinking that it is privileged white men who are the planet’s true underclass. If Al Sharpton is a race-baiting opportunist, then Rush Limbaugh is his direct right wing counterpart. He, like Sharpton, is first on the scene whenever and wherever someone within his camp comes under fire.

 

But there is a distinction to be made, as racism actually, like, exists, it’s real, and it is still practiced day in, day out, and it’s effects can have deadly consequences. Liberal Media Bias, on the other hand, is a cynical fabrication, a tool with which to deflect all criticism, a handy way in which to intimidate and dismiss everyone and anyone who doesn’t agree with whatever it is the right is schilling. I work with people of all color, from all over the country, and a day in which someone claims they’ve been treated unfairly as a result of their race is a rare one, however, turn on the radio, listen to a conservative politician, and within five minutes, there’s a really good fucking chance that you’ll hear all sorts of whining about liberal media bias, or liberal elite bias – it would be funny if it wasn’t so fucking pathetic. And, as is the case with most bullies, they cry foul whenever someone hits back – in fact, their entire mission statement could be summed up in one sentence – “But he hit me back first”

 

So, in conclusion, (to borrow a line from Tool)fuck Rush Limbaugh and fuck all his clones, fuck all his dysfunctional insecure dittoheads - they represent the whiniest political “minority” in this countries history. The entire movement is rank with the cries of victimhood - it's the only card they have left to play.

[Winston Legthigh]

Is man capable of socialism? I mean seriously. Isn't it "our" nature to be somewhat selfish?

 

Also, I'd like to add I think the bus driver should have his ass kicked for letting that go on as long as it did. I'm just sayin'.

Isn't it "our" nature to be socialist? Doesn't society-building depend on specialization and co-dependence?

 

If not, I guess I'll adapt to reverting back to being a hunter/gatherer.

[Guest Speed Racer]

Isn't it "our" nature to be socialist? Doesn't society-building depend on specialization and co-dependence?

 

Specialization and co-dependence, yes, but I think there's a pretty well-established preference that the person who owns the business make more than the person who sweeps the floor.

 

That being said, there's no reason why those two people shouldn't each have access to excellent, affordable healthcare and safe, affordable housing. Is it in man's nature to be binary about these things? I really get tired of the "socialism!" cries because it IS such a sliding scale.

[Winston Legthigh]

because it IS such a sliding scale.

*taps nose*

[bjorn_skurj]

A U.S. congressman told me today that he thinks health care might get wrapped up next month. Public option is on the bubble.

[jakobnicholas]

Liberal Media Bias, on the other hand, is a cynical fabrication, a tool with which to deflect all criticism, a handy way in which to intimidate and dismiss everyone and anyone who doesn’t agree with whatever it is the right is schilling. I work with people of all color, from all over the country, and a day in which someone claims they’ve been treated unfairly as a result of their race is a rare one, however, turn on the radio, listen to a conservative politician, and within five minutes, there’s a really good fucking chance that you’ll hear all sorts of whining about liberal media bias, or liberal elite bias – it would be funny if it wasn’t so fucking pathetic. And, as is the case with most bullies, they cry foul whenever someone hits back – in fact, their entire mission statement could be summed up in one sentence – “But he hit me back first”

 

So, in conclusion, (to borrow a line from Tool)fuck Rush Limbaugh and fuck all his clones, fuck all his dysfunctional insecure dittoheads - they represent the whiniest political “minority” in this countries history. The entire movement is rank with the cries of victimhood - it's the only card they have left to play.

 

 

 

C'mon. You're hard to take seriuosly after saying that.

 

I don't care what you want to call it. Maybe "Liberal Media Bias" isn't the right term. But it's a fact that a HUGE majority of newspaper and TV news reporters are Democratic supporters. Add to that Oprah, The View, David Letterman, Jon Stewart, SNL, Jay Leno (he hides it better), and all the celebrities (including many musicians who I love) who voice their very left-leaning beliefs any chance they can get. Added up, it's UNDENIABLE that the media projects a liking for Democrats or left-leaning thought. For a media junkie like myself, it's impossible to not get the perception that Reagan ruined America, Bush and Cheney were idiots, Palin is a moron, and Obama is the best President of all time.

 

Limbaugh, Beck, Savage and O'Reilly may be "right-wing, fear-mongering whackos", but they serve a purpose. I can soak up the left-leaning media as well as right-leaning media, and form my own opinion.

 

And I think that's what many independents and right-leaning people do. And because the general media leans left, millions check out Conservative pundits for balance. And as a bonus, they're usually more entertaining and interesting (Michael Savage kicks the crap out of any political talk show).

[Guest Speed Racer]

Limbaugh, Beck, Savage and O'Reilly may be "right-wing, fear-mongering whackos", but they serve a purpose.

 

Tinnitus?

 

And as a bonus, they're usually more entertaining and interesting

 

Tinnitus.

 

Listening to one of those shows as "balance" after reading the Washington Post is like cutting off your left arm to match the paper cut on your right hand.

[Guest Speed Racer]

I guess I should add that I feel the same way about talking heads on the right. I'd name names, but they bother me enough that I honestly don't keep up with them (sometimes when people mention names here, I don't know if they're right- or left-wingers). That's why the left/right arms don't match up in my analogy. If I have a level-headed conversation with my conservative Matt, who doesn't distort facts or blow elephants out his ass, I'm not going to balance it by listening to twenty minutes of Mr. Asshat on the Left on WCRP. To me, the written press have to cite enough sources to be level-headed, if biased. And newspapers (and Matt) never, EVER interrupt people when they're talking.

[Winston Legthigh]

it's impossible to not get the perception that Reagan ruined America

oh please.

 

Reagan was practically beatified by the press when he passed away.

[Good Old Neon]

C'mon. You're hard to take seriuosly after saying that.

 

I don't care what you want to call it. Maybe "Liberal Media Bias" isn't the right term. But it's a fact that a HUGE majority of newspaper and TV news reporters are Democratic supporters. Add to that Oprah, The View, David Letterman, Jon Stewart, SNL, Jay Leno (he hides it better), and all the celebrities (including many musicians who I love) who voice their very left-leaning beliefs any chance they can get. Added up, it's UNDENIABLE that the media projects a liking for Democrats or left-leaning thought. For a media junkie like myself, it's impossible to not get the perception that Reagan ruined America, Bush and Cheney were idiots, Palin is a moron, and Obama is the best President of all time.

 

Limbaugh, Beck, Savage and O'Reilly may be "right-wing, fear-mongering whackos", but they serve a purpose. I can soak up the left-leaning media as well as right-leaning media, and form my own opinion.

 

And I think that's what many independents and right-leaning people do. And because the general media leans left, millions check out Conservative pundits for balance. And as a bonus, they're usually more entertaining and interesting (Michael Savage kicks the crap out of any political talk show).

 

 

 

On the aggregate, the media is neither liberal nor conservative. And since when have David Letterman, Jay Leno, Oprah, and the cast of the View been considered part of the media establishment? Since you’re casting so wide a net, why don’t we throw Big Bird, Sylvester Stallone, Ralph Macchio, and because you’re a big Pixar fan, let's throw Buzz Lightyear in there as well. When I reference the media, I have print and television journalism in mind – not celebrities and late night TV hosts, though your definition may differ.

 

Where, I wonder, was the liberal media during Bush’s term in office? If, as you say, we add it up, surely we will find that the liberal media went out of its way to criticize Bush at ever turn, right? Why, then, is the complete opposite true? If the media displays a bias, it is a corporate one. NPR, often cited as the snake’s nest of liberal media bias, is, in fact, one of the most balanced news outlets available. Of course, if you listen to the bullshit from the right, you would think they start their day by burning a republican, and then engaging in gay sex while laughing at the charred remains. But the fact is, they go OUT OF THEIR WAY to provide balanced reporting – despite what you may believe.

 

Michael Savage, if we are to take what he says as face value, is about as valuable a commentator as the leader of your local skinhead organization – and about as entertaining. You’re right, in that it is much easier to be entertaining when you say to hell with silly things like, you know, facts, or at least some semblance thereof, and just scatter bullshit in every direction, with no regard for anything even remotely resembling reality.

 

If Beck serves a purpose, it is a negative one, as illustrated by the recent, Million Moron March on Washington. Why is it that his fans are consistently misinformed with regards to just about any topic you care to question them about? Beck is arguably the worst of the lot, well, if we put aside Savage, an outright racist, that the conservative movement has christened him their new champion, is further proof of its slide into madness and irrelevancy.

[jakobnicholas]

On the aggregate, the media is neither liberal nor conservative. And since when have David Letterman, Jay Leno, Oprah, and the cast of the View been considered part of the media establishment? Since you’re casting so wide a net, why don’t we throw Big Bird, Sylvester Stallone, Ralph Macchio, and because you’re a big Pixar fan, let's throw Buzz Lightyear in there as well. When I reference the media, I have print and television journalism in mind – not celebrities and late night TV hosts, though your definition may differ.

 

Where, I wonder, was the liberal media during Bush’s term in office? If, as you say, we add it up, surely we will find that the liberal media went out of its way to criticize Bush at ever turn, right? Why, then, is the complete opposite true? If the media displays a bias, it is a corporate one. NPR, often cited as the snake’s nest of liberal media bias, is, in fact, one of the most balanced news outlets available. Of course, if you listen to the bullshit from the right, you would think they start their day by burning a republican, and then engaging in gay sex while laughing at the charred remains. But the fact is, they go OUT OF THEIR WAY to provide balanced reporting – despite what you may believe.

 

Michael Savage, if we are to take what he says as face value, is about as valuable a commentator as the leader of your local skinhead organization – and about as entertaining. You’re right, in that it is much easier to be entertaining when you say to hell with silly things like, you know, facts, or at least some semblance thereof, and just scatter bullshit in every direction, with no regard for anything even remotely resembling reality.

 

If Beck serves a purpose, it is a negative one, as illustrated by the recent, Million Moron March on Washington. Why is it that his fans are consistently misinformed with regards to just about any topic you care to question them about? Beck is arguably the worst of the lot, well, if we put aside Savage, an outright racist, that the conservative movement has christened him their new champion, is further proof of its slide into madness and irrelevancy.

 

 

 

Do your realize how insane it is that people like you get their panties in a wad over what Beck and Limbaugh do or say?

 

Obama is the President, dude. And guess what?...he should be able to pass whatever the fuck he wants to, 'cause he has like-minded members dominating the House AND Senate.

 

So a few hate-mongering blowhards are filling the airwaves with exaggeration and/or lies and it's getting in the way of Obama wanting to good things for America? Somebody cue the sympathy music.