Hixter Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 I'm going to assume you only had one free hand with which to type that.The other one is wrapped around a Smuttynose Finestkind. Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 I generally don't talk politics at family gatherings. This year I decided to listen and participate a little. Among things I learned were: There have been no attempts to repeal Obamacare, George Bush was a liberal, The concentration of wealth in an upward direction that is occurring these days is a liberal issue due to liberal policies, income redistribution is a liberal issue (more true than any statement heard), congress has no right to regulate commerce (that pesky commerce clause does not exist apparently), not expanding the debt ceiling is no big issue, just cut spending (it's that simple), Solar power is less energy efficient and worse for the environment than coal, Donald Trump makes sense and other such gems. In a nutshell, everything that is bad or perceived as bad with this country is the result of liberals and democrats, the good stuff is due to unregulated free market capitalism and conservatism and compromise is a bad thing. So that is pretty much the last time I talk politics with family. Link to post Share on other sites
uncool2pillow Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 If you research quantified easing, you may find that liberals -- or at least Democrats -- own some of the problem of income inequality. Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 I know that, I believe I. Pinning the policy to whomever makes it. Both sides have created a climate for the upward flow of wealth. What I learned over thanksgiving is that liberals/democrats/progressives are 100% behind it..,in the minds of family members. Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 So a domestic terrorist shoots up a Planned Parenthood in CO springs, kills a cop and the GOP candidates say NOTHING. Interesting. Link to post Share on other sites
Hixter Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 So a domestic terrorist shoots up a Planned Parenthood in CO springs, kills a cop and the GOP candidates say NOTHING. Interesting. Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Better late than never. I think Cruz got ahead of his competitors there. Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 He didn't actually condemn the attack though. Unless he's clear in stating that he's against the murder of others we all must assume that his silence is consent. Isn't that how it works? Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Lovely... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/man-told-to-stop-smoking-kills-waffle-house-employee-cops-say_56589230e4b08e945feb3837 Link to post Share on other sites
twoshedsjackson Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 So a domestic terrorist shoots up a Planned Parenthood in CO springs, kills a cop and the GOP candidates say NOTHING. Interesting.If and when they do address it, it will be VERY carefully worded and focus on the gunman's "mental issues". They won't mention guns or his religion. If the guy hadn't killed a cop, they probably wouldn't feel compelled to comment at all.Let's just call him what he is: a Christian Terrorist. He heard the dog-whistle and responded. If he was a Muslim, the GOP would be freaking out as they did after the Paris attacks, demanding that every Muslim in the world ask forgiveness. Since he's a white Christian American, though, he'll simply be labeled mentally ill. Sickening. Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Agreed Link to post Share on other sites
Hixter Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 If he's actually mentally ill, then the label is appropriate. Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Terrorists are mentally ill. Link to post Share on other sites
Hixter Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Terrorists are mentally ill.No, they are not. At least not most members of well-financed, well-organized groups that have tens of thousands of members and supporters. Link to post Share on other sites
twoshedsjackson Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Yes they most certainly are. They're willing to kill and be killed for their religious beliefs. I think that qualifies as mentally ill regardless of their organizational abilities or size. Republicans have been losing their collective shit over Obama avoiding the term "Islamic Terrorists" yet they'll admit no connection whatsoever between this guy's religion or politics and his actions. It's not surprising at all, but still transparent and disgusting. A few of them are starting to issue statements now, and STILL fueling the fire with lies about Planned Parenthood. Link to post Share on other sites
Hixter Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Yes they most certainly are. They're willing to kill and be killed for their religious beliefs. I think that qualifies as mentally ill regardless of their organizational abilities or size.I don't think that a medical professional would agree. Link to post Share on other sites
twoshedsjackson Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 I don't think that a medical professional would agree.A non-religious medical professional might. So a suicidal & homicidal person is only mentally ill if they're not killing in the name of Allah? If my dog tells me to kill I'm crazy, but if God's whispering in my ear I'm just a perfectly rational terrorist? Link to post Share on other sites
Hixter Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 A non-religious medical professional might. I can't see it happening. Ideology and mentall illness are not synonymous, even if there is some overlap in some cases. Link to post Share on other sites
twoshedsjackson Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 There's a LOT of overlap. Surely you concede there's a double standard in the way these lunatics are labeled, though? Link to post Share on other sites
Hixter Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 There's a LOT of overlap. Surely you concede there's a double standard in the way these lunatics are labeled, though?I won't equate religious fervor or ideological commitment with mental illness without evidence of actual mental illness. A "normal" person who runs off to join ISIS or al Qaeda or Bolo Haram is not mentally ill. He/she is a religious zealot/extremist. An individual who goes on some sort of a murder spree may also be a zealot or extremist, but if it turns out that he/she has a history of mental illness, then I'll be satisfied with a description of "a zealot with a history of mental illness." Link to post Share on other sites
twoshedsjackson Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Islamic killer: Not crazy at all. Represents billions of Muslims worldwide. Christian killer: Mentally ill. Not representative of any other Christians. Got it. Link to post Share on other sites
Hixter Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Islamic killer: Not crazy at all. Represents billions of Muslims worldwide. Christian killer: Mentally ill. Not representative of any other Christians. Got it.I never said that. I said that a clinical diagnosis of mental illness is what determines that someone is mentally ill. You made the rest of that up. Link to post Share on other sites
twoshedsjackson Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Then why is the right so quick to call Muslims terrorists without any knowledge of their individual mental state while I've never ever heard a republican (or even a democrat) politician use the term Christian Terrorist? Link to post Share on other sites
Hixter Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Ask "the right"? Link to post Share on other sites
twoshedsjackson Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 On what issue are you not "the right"? Link to post Share on other sites
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