MattZ

While I agree that it's ridiculous to suggest that everyone is equally responsible for a company's viability, and I agree that CEOs have stress, and responsibility, and qualifications and training that far exceed what they are being given credit for in this thread, I think Artifice's point is that if you are compensated $30M in an year where your company needs to be bailed out by the govt, that can't really count as "more responsibility." I don't think you can have responsibility without accountability. Unless it's responsibility in theory. To have more responsibility would suggest (I think

Harder to do if you are flying down to VA, but yeah, I guess you made my point much better than I did.

You are right -- it doesn't add up. Which is why my initial (wrong?) reaction was to be bummed. Now that I think about it, it seems like the fuzz/heat are more likely messing with numbers. They certainly have an incentive to do it in all cases and multiply that by about 10 when Phish is involved, for whatever reason. Anyway, back to more important things, I don't hear anyone talking about that Antelope. Just, wow.

I certainly don't know one way or the other if it is a lot or a little (or if it's even an accurate number), but $1.2 million in value confiscated seems like an awful lot to me. I am going to rely on Lammy and Moe that this isn't that bad and will not allow myself to be bummed. Plus there was plenty of good music to celebrate, and I'm gonna focus on that. ETA: I missed Moe's ETA, and I certainly agree that 194 arrested is pretty impressive. When you get that many people in one spot, the law of averages says that probably more than that will be arrested, and that some will even die ferchri

my favorite way to discover new music is by checking out the NP thread or other threads that pop up. I have no idea how what you are suggesting works, but if it's another way for me to discover new stuff, I am all for it.

I had convinced myself somewhere along the way (after some bad experiences) that the drugs and the scene were going to destroy each other, and somewhere along the way, out of respect for the band and the music (and my love of both, and I guess, myself) I decided that every phish show that I ever went to, I would be stone cold sober. I think, at a minimum, it's been the last 15 or so shows. I think even trey said that he was bummed that shows became an excuse for people to party. That news story really bums me out. They were away for 4 years, and you couldn't just go to enjoy the music?

tangled up in blue

I somehow found the will to stay away from all info and did the no spoilers download this morning. I am so happy I did. Listening to the show without knowing what would come next made for a real treat. The only other times I did that was when I was at shows, or I stumbled on someone's maxell tape that wasn't labelled in the old days. I went for a short run this morning and figured that I'd listen to the show on my run to make it more interesting. It was easy to tell when the lights went down, and when I heard the first notes of Fluffhead I think I laughed out loud with joy. When the lyr

Not true. JPMorgan is trading above $15 right now and its total equity value is 57BN. Just to name one. Also, banks were forced to take bailout money. JPM didnt want any and was forced to take the funds because Sec Paulson didn't want a run on banks to start because people were perceiving strength and weakness based on acceptance/rejection of bailout funds. Remember -- so much of this now is perception. I am not suggesting that throwing vast sums of debts at these sh*thole banks is something I am doing backflips over either. I don't know what the best option is. If I've been consisten

I have definitely noticed that he does what you are saying on some songs. I have been trying to play mtn bed for awhile, and I can get close, but just not perfect. So I was exploring whether maybe I was the one that was wrong. When I have the time and patience, I am going to give your suggestion a shot. It looks pretty hard, but it sounds great. I think he does it on ViaChicago, too.

Shareholders have been taking it on the chin. Shareholders will continue to take it on the chin (as they should). I never suggested they shouldn't. I suggested that nationalization wipes out the equity in EVERY bank. Citi, Bank of America, JPMorgan, etc. And that this will continue to drive the market down, and the effect of something like this, in any economy like ours, is unknowable. You have convinced yourself what the effects of a move like this would be. I still don't know why. Why are you so sure of this? BEcause they will be "government" officials? With your own posts as e

2nd best place to be would've been here if they were streaming it live. Oh well. I am surprised that they aren't doing that -- I'd think that might have cut down on some of the crazy scalping. Not complaining, just surprised. I have to admit that it feels a bit like a holiday today. Edit: NP: 4/3/98

Yes, and my point is that shareholders are not just hedge fund dudes with yachts and mansions. As I said, shareholders are also lots of Americans with 401k plans that invest in index funds. Indexes made up of the very financial companies that you are demanding go to zero. So understand that lots of panicked Americans who already lost half of their retirement last year, and 25% of their retirement this year, are going to lose (at a minimum, without considering collateral damage) another 10% of their retirement over night. If you think that an action like that is simply black and white, and

I think the issue gets to the next person that wants to look for info on the topic (not the well-meaning creator of a second thread). If all the information relating to a topic rests in one thread, it's easier for people in the future to review and/or participate in the discussion. If more than one thread exists about the NYTimes piece, it becomes harder for someone to search and learn about (and thus participate) in a discussion. If an old thread gets bumped, all the people that missed it the first time would get to see it. You don't need to create a new thread for people to see something

Are you sure stagerug? Looks like he is hitting the bass notes with a flatpick here (Mtn Bed). Especially on the alternating/descending bass line from the D to A to Bm (in the 1:20-1:24 range). I can't get this to sound right either, but I figured it was me, not that the strumming/picking pattern was wrong. If it's uncool to post this here, I will remove. I am not sure if it's kosher.

What's going to die first? This Lie Down in the Light CD on repeat or my CD player? I mean ferchrissakes, I just cannot stop...

If the banks are nationalized, then take every bank and their share price is a big fat doughnut. Zero. Zilch. By definition, the S&P 500 (made up of, among other things, financial stocks) will go to 600. Let's ignore for a minute whether banks going to zero has an impact on anything else in the market and whether there's any collateral damage. When the banks get nationalized, everyone's retirement account invested in an index fund, which was down 50% last year, and is already down 25% this year, will go down another 10% overnight. Overnight. Let's also ignore for a minute how the h

AC/DC bag would also be too predictable but oh so sweet. Oh man. How about hello my baby at the front of the stage without mics/pa?

I do think that Curtain is going off at even money in vegas.

This would be the greatest thing ever.

Something that none of us have thought of. Or something that we've never heard before (ie, new song).

hahahaha I just put on Let It Bleed and holy hell is Gimme Shelter a great fucking song. They don't make em like the stones any more. Jeez.

Come on, man. Now you are changing your argument. I never would (or could) argue with anything you said that I quoted above. My argument was with your dismissal of using borrowed money to create wealth.

Are you taking Econ 101 right now?

I am not missing your point. I promise. I was using broad brush strokes to illustrate how govts can borrow money in an effort to create wealth that can be taxed. Since you said it couldn't be done. Of course all this depends on what jobs are created and what industries. We want to create something sustainable. I never suggested otherwise. Maybe my money is in the bank now and I am renting? Why are you making these assumptions? Not to mention, if the money borrowed and spent to create jobs ends up creating wealth, what's to say that the "inflated market" isn't a true indication of