Moe_Syzlak

Actually that was just a point of illustration. My point is that to start drilling places like ANWR now will result in a limited supply increase and that will not happen for many years (it takes a long time to get to peak production). Killing oil industry subsidies will promote more PRIVATE investment in alternative energies and likely provide more relief faster than more domestic drilling. Either way it will get worse before it gets better. Why don't we looks to more long term fixes. There has to be a better reason than simply JUDE's futures investments.

I swear my posts are invisible to guys with screen names that start with Ju... I'd love some actual refutation of my points. Being forced to think about my position is something I actually enjoy.

I decided to make a mix of some of my favorites (while still trying to keep a consistent flow and feel): 1. The Black Hawk War,... - Sufjan Stevens 2. The Observer - The Flaming Lips 3. Father Father #1 - Super Furry Animal 4. Nothing Is Good Enough - Aimee Mann 5. Oi Frango - Super Furry Animals 6. Oahu - Menomena 7. The Supine - Andrew Bird 8. At The Gazebo - Trey Anastasio 9. Trombone Dixie - The Beach Boys 10. Through The Night Softly - Jim O'Rourke 11. Pink Eye (On My Leg) - Ween 12. Gypsy Space Muffin - Super Furry Animals 13. Double Bass Gorillaz 14. The Wizard Turns On... - The Flami

Calculating all data and aligning my abacus along the Y axis of my slide rule, I get the following result: not good.

No sweat! I was only joking with you. I'm just glad someone is reading it. This thread has two sides: "save the environment!" and "make money/preserve our way of life" as if there is no middle ground, so I can see why you would figure "why bother."

Thanks... now where did I read this before? Oh yeah, two posts earlier!

T. Boone Pickens thinks there is money to made in alternative energies and he has a plan to reduce our dependency on foreign oil that doesn't involve more drilling. Pickens is the 117th richest man in America and made the bulk of his wealth in the oil industry, yet he sees alternative energies as the future, not altruistically, but opportunistically. I need to learn more about him and his plan, but I thought it interesting enough to share.

Ha! He's producing my (future) brother-in-law's album. I didn't even know he made his own music.

So if I'm against the government subsidizing the oil industry to unfairly inhibit free trade, does that mean I am not a liberal? Phew!

Do you have a lot of money? I must've missed that.

Well, even by proponents estimates, peak production wouldn't be realized for many years and would likely do very little to offset the price of crude oil. So, I could ask you, I don't understand why you can't see the need to invest that money in more long term fixes than short-sighted ones when both will require many years to see any signifcant benefit to allow us to go back to our "standard of living." But again, lose the subsidies altogether, and I'm fine with whatever the various industries decide is he most economically feasible.

Food for thought. Denver is a pretty spread out city, largely built after the advent of the automobile. As I stated above, subsidies for the oil industry keep fuel prices artificially low. But mass transit is also subsidized.

In chronological order (in case my "finance" -- as H.I. McDunough would say -- sees this ) - Ween - Rockygrass - YMSB at Red Rocks - Engagement party - Folks Fest - A friend's wedding north of Boston - ACL Fest - Cubs World Series - Cubs World Series Win Celebration - Getting married - Telluride Bluegrass Festival

Well it may surprise you to know that I do NOT favor Kyoto (I don't believe it feasible for our country to do in any sort of responsible economic way) and I do favor more of a free market approach to moving off fossil fuels. But that is not because I dismiss the overwhelming scientific evidence that we are f'ing things up. Price at the pump is one issue but, although highly visible to John Q. Public, is not, in my opinion, the biggest issue. The prices for all goods shipped across the country and around the world will continue to rise. If I had my way, we would see more more emphasis on moving

Science, by definition, is never undisputed. That doesn't mean there isn't broad consensus. At least by scentists NOT funded by oil companies and the Heritage Foundation.

Speaking for no one but myself, that is more or less the way I took it and what i meant earlier. Saving money doesn't inject money into the economy. When times are tough (as in post 9/11), the smart thing to do is save money, not buy plasma televisions, but the economy NEEDS people to buy those things. [/gross oversimplification]

One more in agreement with this. Unfortunately, I don't think this is what the "masters of the economy" want. We are told to spend, not save. Remember Bush post-9/11? It's the Rich Dad/Poor Dad phenomenon.

Here is a good review of the new iPhone. It sounds to me like the iPhone is (still) the phone to beat for personal use... and even better than before, although the new pricing isn't to my liking. But, as a business user, the Exchange isn't quite up to snuff and the lack of editable Word, Excel and PowerPoiint mean I'd still have to bring my laptop on short trips, something I haven't done in years since I had my Treo 650. So it really comes down (still) to the type of user you are.

I'm a big fan of Trombone Dixie from the Pet Sounds sessions as well.

What are some of your favorite instrumental tracks from artists that generally incorporate lyrics?

Well if you;re on a Mac and browsing is important to you, the iPhone seems a no brainer. Compatibility with Outlook is really the biggest reason (other than plan) that I'd go with anything else.

Back on topic... would a just God allow this thread to continue?

But if he believes Bushco is evil, wouldn't he be an appeaser if he said any differently?

The first thing I would ask is do you already use AT&T? If not, are you willing to pay cancellation fees for your current provider to switch? The iPhone is only on AT&T (assuming you're in the U.S.). If you use Outlook, the original iPhone likely won't work very well for you. It doesn't for me and most corporate email. Of course, if you don't use push email, this may not be an issue for you. (BTW, push email means your email comes in to your phone as it is sent/received; your phone doesn't have to go retrieve it on request or schedule.) The new 3G iPhone is supposed to deal with all of