Panther

okay

dose it bother anyone that the one dollar bill has the words the worlds new order on it or that there is a hidden owl beside the number one.

Or that the book of revelations said that there will be one nation that comes to dominate the world and instal a one world goverment.

there real fans will listen to this interview on vinly. I wonder if jeff told him to say that.

Yes, bring back the surf rock plzzz any Nels doubters still out there dont think he can play with an ensemble.

I thought the lyrics were great by the way and it felt like such a directly song for the fans great stuff.

do you get the impression this isn't your life? Yes , Yes all the time

>Maybe Slow Train Coming there are some god tracks on that but its still subpar.

 

was that a typo or a clever joke? :-)

 

-justin

typo but I think what really happened there is god came through me to make his presents felt. maybe not.

the one from the 26 sounds like a Pavement ballad with tuned instraments

I think there are some of us who like AM a lot, and this kind of post always rubs me the wrong way. AM was interesting if nothing else, and felt like it at least related to something real: underclass midwest experience / being a young man whose best options are the kind of non-options that involve the riverboat casinos and hopeless relationships. AM has always felt like a p.s. to Anodyne, and how can that be so bad? And how can you not like "It's just that simple"?? Ach, I do not get AM haters.

 

In other words, here's to uncharted waters, and the best still lying ahead... But I'd be hella happy if the next album has some AM vibes to it. Which isn't like totally impossible, I love the way the band has been playing the remaining AM songs w/ the current lineup. especially the aforementioned stiratt tune

I like am. and Im 20 yrs old, I think A.M is a great mid 90s record if I were Cristagu i'd say B+

"I will die alone like jesus on a cross" thats one, is this gunna be Tweedys Born Again album

Lyrics anyone?

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Yet another Dylan thread. . LOL

 

Anyhow - there are some good songs on Shot of Love. Let it set for a while, and then check it out.

thats what I found to be true with Slow Train Coming I mean I can always listen to Blonde On Blonde I find the 80s albums intresting just to see where his head was at.

i think he's just trying to stir some shit up.

well yeah sort of Im definetly not preaching Im just looking for reactions.

I mean if it was all true what many conspiracy theorist belive wouldn't make sesne that educated people would deny it to the conspiracy theorist?

Dosent the fact that many people will call you crazy for talking about secret socities make sense to the person who belives in the cover up?

This is why it can be very confusing, dont you agree? I honestly don't know I had a conversation with an educated girl at work who studies political scince today and she explained how globilization is good now I have read many things about why it is bad and the bigger picture but what she said mad sense I mean NAFTA isn't really that diveious.

To be honest I don't know but can you understand how this can be confusing I mean calling it crazy sort of gives it creedence does anyone know what I mean?

well yeah sort of Im definitely not preaching I

For reals - have you ever read "The Illuminati Trilogy"?

nope care to share?

Well you wouldn't know but Every Grain of Sand is one of his best songs. You probably didn't make it "Brownsville Girl" on Knocked Out Loaded either. Perhaps you passed on "Dark Eyes", "Tight Connection" scared you away? I'm trying hard to think of a Dylan record that didn't have at least one classic.

no I actually listened to the whole thing so I shouldnt have said immiditly I meant immieditly after I finished listening and yeah I remeber every grain of sand by far being the best track i'll go back to it. I wouln'dt be suprised If he purposley puts one or two good songs on those bad records just to mess with us.

what do you think about knoocked out loaded I saw it fow $10 I might pick it up this weekend

Wilco - ALTWYS

Sonic Youth - Empty Page

Pavement - Silent Kit(or kid?)

Wilco - misunderstood (du'h)

Bob Dylan - Tweedlede Tweedledumb

Bob Dylan - Thunder on the mountain

Pixies - Debaser

Bruce Springsteen - Nebraska

Jay Z - The Rulers Back

Lil Wayne - 3peat(maybe not)

Belle & Sebastian- Stars of Track & Field

oh the flaming lips race for the prize fooosha

I forgot

 

Primal Scream- "Moving on Up"- Screamadelica.

100% love that track

oh how about Dirty Boots babbbyyyyyy

Bikini Kill - Double Dare

this dosent get enuff play

Liking Nirvana means you don't like music? Generally there's a reason behind every cliche...

 

Some that come to mind (just ones that haven't been mentioned):

 

 

Antony & The Johnsons- Hope There's Someone

Beck- Sexx Laws

Belle & Sebastian- Stars of Track & Field

Blur- Boys & Girls

Bob Dylan- Lovesick

The Cure- In Between Days

Bonnie Prince Billy- A Minor Place

Elliott Smith- Speed Trials

The Flaming Lips- Race for the Prize

Jeff Buckley- Mojo Pin

Joanna Newsom- Ys

M.I.A.- Bamboo Banga

The National- Fake Empire

Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds- Into My Arms

Nirvana- About a Girl (MTV Unplugged)

Pavement- Silent Kit

Pixies- Debaser

R.E.M.- Harbour Coat

Radiohead- Airbag

The Replacements- Hold My Life

Slint- Good Morning, Captain

The Smiths- A Rush and a Push and the Land That We Stand On is Ours

Sonic Youth- Teenage Riot

The Stone Roses- I Wanna Be Adored

Talking Heads- Born Under Punches

Tom Waits- Big in Japan

Uncle Tupelo- Gun

Wilco- Can't Stand It

 

 

This is tough...most of the music I listen to is pre-1980.

Its a line from High Fidelity I laughed

Yeah for me everytime Dylan wanted to make a masterpiece he did and this is one of them. His bad albums are intentionaly bad I picked up Shot Of Love recently for $6 and I had to imideitly put on John Wesley harding to remind myself that this guy is good, his bad albums can ruin your idea of him don't listen to them.

Maybe Slow Train Coming there are some god tracks on that but its still subpar.

By the way Going going gone is so good it hurts those canucks can sure play

also, I hate the misconceptions about Sky Blue Sky, like the band went flaccid or something: JT and the boys haven't lost some kind of magical powers they had previously. You hear them talk about Sky Blue Sky and it was a conscious effort to just write songs. It wasn't some kind of "oh I've stopped smoking cigarettes and popping pills so now I'm weepy and writing cutesie soft rock because my powers are gone." It was just about the guys getting together and making simple, beautiful songs. No reinventing the wheel. JT has also pointed out the lack of credit he's been given at every turn ("oh that record was Bennett, and that record was JOR, and that record was the pills.."). These are damn brilliant guys and they aren't ignorant. I'm not saying the next album is going to be a crowning achievement, but I don't think these guys are all of the sudden out of touch with their craft and going to repeat themselves and try and reach for something they used to be.

 

also, maybe I'm painting with a broad brush (I could see how people could find SBS boring, but..) but is it so hard for the SBS dislikers to find beauty in something that isn't "innovative"? Is it that easy for people nowadays to dismiss top notch craftsmanship bottled in 13 songs?

Exactly, that record wasn't a mistake , I personaly love what it is and will never be concerned with what it isn't and last time i checked I dont like bad records.

PANTHER, I appreciate your passion, but you're really fucking nuts, aren't you?

You got me lol, no I would say Im confused Im wrking through it don't hold it against me

DAVILA 666

I know its wasnt one of his records that got trashed it actually got allot of good feedback but I still think this record is underratted.

For me its one of his best as good as Blood On The Tracks and in the same class as his 60's wrk . The reason I feel this way is A the Band and B tHE FUCKIN SONGS.

Alright, you

Well, most books make sense as stories. Not sure if many people actually go around saying the Bible doesn't "make sense" except perhaps in its claims over reality and perhaps its problems with internal consistency. But sure, the storyline is pretty straight-forward.

No thats not what I mean't. The argument was how can the bible be true. Christians will obviously say its the word of GOD thats fine.

My point is that they are almost right although their has been editing for evil purposes the just of the bible including the devil is a metaphor for the world and it makes sesne.

When it says this world is satans kingdom it makes sesne, allot of it can be aplieed to moderntimes. Wheather or not it has the ability ot peak into the future I don't know.

But I like to think that the notion of the messiah returning followed by a thousand yrs of peace is possible and it will make sesne if it is christ consiousness that returns.

I personally have already answered this to the previous page. Apparently you don't mind having a discussion, or answering relevant points?

don't mind at all, "I personally have already answered this" I doubt that lol

I repeat: what is the logic of thinking there is a creator because there's a creation?

 

Your creator is what, exactly? A creation, too? Who created the creator? Why a creation couldn't be self-created?

 

I do not know and neither do you but I am not an absolutist I dont beilve GOD is a diety the way religions would have you think. Its an incomprihensible word that trumps everything it is the void itself. You don't know the answer to that question either so you don't want to say you beilve in GOD but I think this is all semantics really you do beilive in GOD one way or the other is what I think.

 

Doesn't it sound obvious to you that God is just something the man conceived for the only reason he doesn't find answers to questions which are beyond his perceptive faculties?

 

No, This is certainly a phase that I went threw in the seventh grade when I was rebelling against all conventional wisdom and all religions but I have a much more mature outlook now.

Man did not conceive the GOD notion because he did not understand but instead the fact that he does not understand is evidence of a higher wisdom, it might be the illiterate light Im not saying it can talk.

 

And isn't it obvious to you that so far, only science brougth answers to our questions since the man exists?

 

No I disagree philoshpy and metaphsyics is just a valueble its just a diffrent viewpoint.

Science is the study of what is and how it wrks and it is a vauled one but it is not life itself it is uncovering life itself. I have never made an argument against the importance of science. Science and GOD are not in conflict GOD is science. Science is based on theories threw a human perspective when a new idea is confirmed it could possible destroy centuries of theories , science is a what we know so far system, it has its place.

 

If there must be a logic, it's to think that science is the only way to find answers.

 

Thats true but if someone has the ability to be a medium between the afterlife and now is it not through a science.

Are thier not sceinces that we do not understand? I would say science is a way to find out how things wrk it is not the reason things wrk themselves that reason is GOD.

 

Personally, I define my atheism like this: I have no need to believe in God, there is no reason to believe in.

 

Perosnally I define my belief in GOD as this their is a huge reason to believe in GOD , what the fuck is going on here? not good enuff?

 

The belief in God is only a matter of culture and tradition. As long as it's peaceful, no problem with me. I would probably be Christian if I had evolved in a Christian environment. But it happened I grew up in France, where the 20th Century was dominated, culturally, by a big intellectual wave of anti-Christianism, due to some bad images of the Church in our country.

 

thats not true sometimes its a matter of culture or tradition but your minimizing it and again making the sceince vs religion argument which logically science can win.

But the sceince vs GOD argument dosent make sense GOD is science.

 

We had some great personas, though: very lately we lost Soeur Emmanuelle, who was 99. She incarnated the best of what the Church should be: generosity, help for the poor, for the helpless, etc, etc

 

But in the 20th Century, a lot of young people rebelled against the Church.

 

so have I but thats not about GOD the church is the false prohet of GOD im not denying that.

 

A song of Jacques Brel gives a pretty good idea of this rebellion : here's a clip with English subtitles:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7G6XOU3sE4

 

PS: excuse my odd english at times (I'm aware of it!)

Well, that certainly is more words but I'm not sure you actually stated why it is more logical to believe in an intelligent creator besides noting that, yes, we do exist. But why is existence more logical under a creator? Don't you then get wrapped up in the debate of where the creator came from?

 

Can't believe how strange it is to be anything at all.

 

 

 

 

Well, most books make sense as stories. Not sure if many people actually go around saying the Bible doesn't "make sense" except perhaps in its claims over reality and perhaps its problems with internal consistency. But sure, the storyline is pretty straight-forward.

Okay, Im not saying its logical becaz at this level of notions as you stated our logic is basically worth nothing. What Im saying is that it is more logical than no creator thats a diffrent debate. The thing is the word GOD trumps any other word you say nothing makes sense so I don't need to beilive in GOD I say nothing makes sense so I need to beilive in GOD how is your logic better? "Can't believe how strange it is to be anything at all" agreed thats why I beilive in GOD.

Don't you then get wrapped up in the debate of where the creator came from? Yes , and thats why the word creator is not accurrate because it is a human word a human notion.

Whatever it is we do not understand at this point, I find that spiritual teachings make these matters more clear but it dosent make life easier.